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Linton-Stockton High decides not to allow live streaming of basketball games

Tuesday, November 23, 2010

Linton-Stockton High School has changed its mind and won't allow its boys and girls varsity and junior varsity basketball games to be live streamed on the Internet.

The Greene County Daily World made an offer to all area schools to provide the equipment to live stream the home games at www.gcdailyworld.com, and also allow students to do the broadcasts as a learning experience.

Even though the newspaper has live streamed two girls games, Linton-Stockton Athletic Director Charlie Karazsia said the school has changed its decision.

He cited the reason as being that boys coach Joey Hart and girls coach Brad McKinney were concerned that the games would be archived. He added that the coaches felt opposing coaches could use the videos for scouting purposes.

Karazsia said the coaches liked the idea of live streaming, but wanted the archives cleared by midnight of game night.

"The reason we want to archive the games is because of the fans, relatives and the participants themselves. If someone can't make it to a certain game, they can watch it later. How great would it be for a team member to sit with his/her family the day after the game and watch it together," Greene County Daily World Publisher Randy List said.

List offered to clear each game from the archives a week after it was played, but the school declined the offer.

Karazsia said he would agree to a day after the game, but List said, "That's not enough time to allow relatives and fans to watch the game."

Linton joins Shakamak and White River Valley in declining the newspaper's offer. Union doesn't have Internet access in its gym.

"I'm very disappointed Linton has changed its mind," List said. "Coaches will continue to scout in person, and trade tapes with each other. Coaches also share scouting reports.

"We don't want to hurt the Linton programs in any way. I want to emphasize that ... we don't want to hurt their programs. But scouting will continue no matter if the games are archived or not. We feel this decision hurts the Linton fan base and more importantly, the young men and women at the schools."

Bloomfield and Eastern Greene home boys and girls games can be found at www.gcdailyworld.com . The first Eastern Greene game is tonight when the girls play against Bedford North Lawrence. Bloomfield's next home game is a girls game on Tuesday against Shakamak.

"Yes this is a business venture for the newspaper, but it's also a learning tool for the schools. We purchased all the equipment necessary to do the live streaming, so there was no expense to the school. It also gives students a great opportunity to learn about broadcasting," List explained.


We encourage your comments to this story and would like parents, relatives and fans to participate in the poll that is on the home page.


Below are comments from what some schools and fans are saying about live streaming at their schools in central and southern Indiana. The schools currently live streaming include: South Putnam, Cloverdale, Greencastle, North Putnam, Clay City, and Northview. The comments came from www.bannergraphic.com

"I just hope it's going to be another way to showcase our school and our kids. It will be a way for grandparents who don't live close by to see their grandson or granddaughter's games."

"I think we all need to start thinking of our community and how they get information in more non-traditional ways. This definitely fits in with that. Our community is not traditional anymore."

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"It's really amazing what we can do now. It's a testament to the superintendent, school board, athletic director and coaches that we are able to be a part of this."

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"We're just starting out now, but hopefully at some point we'll have more kids involved and be able to do different things. I'd like to see something where we kind of do an actual sportscast ... where one kid is running the camera and another is sitting at a laptop with the game going on behind him, giving a play-by-play."

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"First off, it's educational for them. It's a benefit for the kids to learn how to utilize the wireless connection the school has and to see what we can do with it. Secondly, this is a way they can give back to the community."

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"Dependent on copyright laws, we've talked about doing plays and musicals. We may even do choir concerts."

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"The videos would be archived so that people who weren't able to see the game or play as it was going on can pull it up later."


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What a shame. I would have loved to have my distant family members able to view this on-line!

Sure wish Linton would reconsider as I'm sure WRV and Shakamak families are disappointed too.

-- Posted by GlorifyGod on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 3:45 PM

Wow, too bad on that decision. Sounded like it would have been a win-win situation for all with the newspaper purchasing the equipment and allowing students to learn hands on about broadcasting, not to mention the players & their families having an opportunity to watch/review the games. Sounds like Bloomfield & Eastern Greene know a great opportunity when it comes along. Also sounds like the paper was more than willing to compromise by removing the archive within a week, it doesn't sound like the 'plays' would have been compromised at all.

-- Posted by BG-reader on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 3:49 PM

What does this mean for the games that schools who have agreed to this are playing schools that didn't? If Bloomfield is playing Shakamak at Bloomfield then is it going to be available? Or because one school doesn't agree, then the game is not streamed? A poor decision in my mind, as the schools give out tapes of games to other coaches anyway.

-- Posted by iowp66 on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 3:52 PM

Maybe it is because the schools are afraid they are going to lose money on ticket fees. People stay home instead of watching in person. If that is the situation, then say it, don't give an excuse of other teams using them to scout.

-- Posted by iowp66 on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 3:57 PM

What, coaches never change what they do from game to game? They sure did when I played. It is not rocket science, look at the box score from 2 or 3 games and you will know who the leading scorers are.

Too bad for the kids that were going too be given the opportunity to broadcast the games, not all kids are athletes and would love the chance to be in the spotlight also.

-- Posted by Just_Me on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 4:07 PM

as for attendance at football i think it was the cold .as for archives thats crazy u trade tapes u think they delete it after they watch it 1 time .a week then delete is more than fair . i myself want to be there for football as for basketball i lost interest when they went to the class system

-- Posted by big miner on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 5:00 PM

I hope that Bloomfield continues to allow the streaming. I think it is great for the students who are doing the broadcast, and for people who can't go to the games.

I've watched both web casts that have been done so far, and it's very nice to have this offered.

-- Posted by just sayin'... on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 5:18 PM

What about sales of tickets?

The games generate some revenue for the school. If a lot choose to stream vs. attend then revenue drops.

I can see where there are several things that need consideration.

-- Posted by webdogz on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 5:50 PM

To dj2party, I watch the Colts on T.V. but enjoy it much more in the stands at Lucas Oil Stadium. A true fan wants to be in the stands too support their team. It would be nice see the games over and over again to watch the high lights in the comfort of my living room.

Again what a shame LSHS.

-- Posted by Just_Me on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 5:50 PM

I for one would love to see them streamed. I also happen to know that my son would not only like to help with the broadcasting, but he would be phenomenal at it. There are many reasons that some parents and family members can't make the games sometimes, and it would be so nice to be able to watch it on here. Please reconsider this!

-- Posted by mmmmsmom on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 7:52 PM

Well, if the coaches are worried about other teams "scouting" by the live streaming then the basketball teams must have gotten much better than when I was in school.

-- Posted by The Other Side on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:12 PM

Eastern Greene Mom -- Ditto! I agree, completely.

-- Posted by BG-reader on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:53 PM

I wish they would reconsider the choice they made. Live streaming is great, allows student's to be involved. As for us older senior citizens, we can't attend for health reasons or when the weather is bad. We love sports too and would love to be able to watch in the comfort of our own home.

-- Posted by Granny's Girl's on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 10:40 PM

Well said, Eastern Greene Mom.

-- Posted by just sayin'... on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 10:45 PM

what about the minor kids on the teams and at the games, having them on a live stream could bring up a wide amount of issues, such as custody issues, adoptees taken from homes for protection...just my thoughts.

-- Posted by gccitizen on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 11:36 PM

I was so looking forward to seeing my granddaughter play! I cannot get to the games and wanted so much to see her play! Scouting purposes? Give me a break! That is laughable! I agree, that is a cover!! If someone wants to start a petition to get i back on at Linton, just let me know where to sign. Put it back on!!!

-- Posted by truthorfiction on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 11:57 PM

This wasn't their idea anyway. It all started with another group of men streaming the football games. They decided to try to take that away.

-- Posted by ilovelinton on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 12:05 AM

Looks like the coaches run the school boards aready. School board members you were elected by the public NOT hired by the coaches.

-- Posted by LT on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 5:13 AM

In response to ilovelinton:

Thank you for your comment.

Rust Publishing, the company that owns the GCDW, decided in February that all of its papers would start live streaming sporting events and the plans were finalized in July. Some started during football season and some decided to wait until basketball season. The GCDW, Brazil Times, and Greencastle Banner Graphic all decided to wait until basketball season.

We were approached by the young men you are referring to in September wanting to partner with us to do games. I received an e-mail from one of them. I e-mailed back and told him thanks for the e-mail and I asked him to call me early the next week because I was out of town. I needed to check with others to find out if we wanted to partner with the young men. I didn't want to say no without checking.

I was told we would continue on our current course of doing the live streaming ourselves and we would still start with basketball season. After another e-mail from the young man I replied that I wasn't at liberty to share the information with him earlier, but we had already decided to do live streaming and we were going to continue to do so on our own.

A huge pat on the back to the young men who did the live streaming of the Linton football games. They did a good job.

While disappointed that Linton, Shakamak, and WRV said no to our offer, we respect their decisions and we wish them the best of luck in the upcoming season.

Be sure to check out the Bloomfield and Eastern Greene games on our website. The schools have put together a great team of kids to do the broadcasts.

-- Posted by Chris Pruett on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 8:10 AM

Seems to me I would save a lot of money if the games were live streamed. I wouldn't have to buy gas to get there, a ticket to get in, a pop to drink while I'm there----

I think the schools would lose a lot of revenue with streaming. Money for schools is hard to come by and they won't want to give up any revenue if they can help it. I understand why they don't want it, but just say so, don't come up with all these lame excuses.

-- Posted by Sue62 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 8:17 AM

ilovelinton -

Live streaming is a not a new idea so I don't think anything was stolen here. The Linton community is just lucky to have multiple groups who are interested in making live online video available and it's good that both have a different approach.

The Daily World is involving high school kids who are interested in broadcasting and the crew doing football games WERE those kids in high school that never had the opportunity to be involved with new media. Maybe if they had, they'd be working on a professional film crew instead of filming small town sports as a hobby.

-- Posted by krebstar on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:07 AM

Even though the football games were streamed, there was still a huge attendence. In my opinion, the last game was far too cold for some of us with children to attend. A big thank you to the guys that did that for our school!

-- Posted by ad astra on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:08 AM

I seriously doubt that anyone who would have normally attended the games is going to stop attending them because of the streams.

The two games that I listened to (and that is what I did primarily...listen...I had that window minimized while I was working) were games that I would have not attended. Even though I do try to support our student athletes, I did not open the browser to watch the game. I did it to support the students that were doing the broadcasting.

-- Posted by just sayin'... on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:44 AM

After the first 3 weeks of the season any coach can get multiple tapes of any team. They trade after every game. And if its the revenue you worry about, what if 20 people decide not to go to the game (Which I consider a huge stretch)? Is $100 in lost revenue not worth it? Is it not worth the experience for the kids announcing and taping the game? Is it not worth the chance of a grandparent that couldn't make it to the gym to see their kid play? Is it not worth a parent out of town perhaps even serving in the military the chance to see their child or relative play? I guarantee a Dad working in Afghanistan would pay too see their child play. I just don't think they should have to. The benefits outweigh the concerns.

Shame on you coaches.

-- Posted by instigator474 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 10:57 AM

I gotta say, I had a ton of positive comments from all over the country, not to mention overseas at the live video streams of the Miner Football games the past weeks of 2010. I respect a coaches decision, but as many have said, tapes are traded, information readily available for scouting purposes in most cases. The fact that relatives out of the area, or unable to attend the games in person will truly be the ones who miss out. Most people will always go to the game if they can, but in the winter particularly, elderly folks wouldn't...and this would have been a nice way to have them be able to view a game. I also think it would have been a great way to bring a little 'home' to those guys and gals far away who are missing their family see them in action. Maybe they will rethink this and somehow make it work??

-- Posted by BD on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 3:50 PM

How about streaming the school board meetings? people who would love to attend but cannot could be updated as to whats going on.

-- Posted by roundman on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 4:06 PM

bd i heard lots og good comments from people out of town i was even asked if they would do the 4th of july parade like that i told them i didnt know who to ask so if you read this people are wanting to see the parade on the 4th that are far away from home they also liked the music in the park

-- Posted by big miner on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 4:38 PM

I wonder how much this decision to not allow the streaming had to do with lost revenue to the schools? If local fans could sit in the comfort of their homes without paying to get into the games, pay for concessions, etc the schools would lose some cash.

Of course I have no proof of this, and if is the case the schools would never own up to it, but it is a possible reason for the denial of access.

-- Posted by RayA on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 5:27 PM

I happened to watch a live streamed game from the Banner Graphic website last night. However, the game that I watched was not archived and not available to see again this morning. If it is done for one school all owned by the same newspaper/company why couldn't the Daily World comply with Linton's request to have the archives removed by midnight of the game night?

-- Posted by Ice Breaker on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 8:35 PM

I can see both sides, maybe stream some of them so the school wont lose money on attendance and concession stand but for the people unable to attend let them see some of them!! what about the away games????

-- Posted by redbird08 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 1:27 PM

I agree with Big Miner...there are several venues throughout the county where livestreaming could also be used. How about the Greene County 4-H Fair. There are a lot of events that happen daily and it is difficult to see all of the kids events when they mostly happen during the day. The kids in the 4-H work very hard with their livestock projects, and deserve just as much recognition as the "jocks". This would also be good experience for the students who work with the live streaming equipment. They would learn how to "tear down" the equipment at one location (school) and "set up" in another location (barns, arenas). Not all kids play school sports. The 4-H consists of kids from all over this county and it doesn't matter where you go to school.(just that you go;) It is a wonderful organization that teaches kids things that they will keep with them the rest of their lives. Just a thought.

-- Posted by LEO63 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 2:58 PM

Eastern Greene Mom,

I can honestly say that I AGREE WITH YOU !!! Whew, I'm glad to get that off my chest.

I wish I would have seen this article sooner. The live streaming is a great way to promote school spirit, give technical training to some students in A/V, allow troops and other non-local relatives ways to see the games, and promote our communities to the world.

I doubt any coach or ball team would glean any useful information from the streaming. You are assuming that the a)coaches would use it, b)the student players could learn from it, c) that the players would apply the knowledge to their game, and d)the teams would gain any advantage from the streaming.

Maybe this would be dangerous for a pro team, but most of us just want to watch the kids play, win or lose. Loosen up coaches!!

Now, I wish I had time to say more but I'm late for the Shakamak vs. Bloomfield ball game....

-- Posted by cow rancher on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 5:52 PM

so sad, we cannot get these "live casts" to come

through on our computer!

-- Posted by king53 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 6:53 PM

:( I wanted t osee it.

-- Posted by Uncovering_The_Lies on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 9:52 PM

If it's because your sales are down don't let them air it live! Maybe have them release video of the games the day after or at the end of every week or something! That way family members who live far away can still see it and the kids can still go and watch their games too! Just a suggestion :)

-- Posted by Summer_time28 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 9:56 PM

Give parents yet another reason to stay home and not support their kids at games.

-- Posted by NewberryUSA on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 10:01 PM

Okay, I still stand by my earlier comment but all these others have given me other ideas. I like the idea of streaming school board meetings but school band concerts or plays, the day after they are played. Also, how about city or town council meetings? And county council meetings? The list could go on. The schools could create a class for broadcasting and give half a credit for participation or if not that, a broadcasting club. This is a great possible media for our children to gain some valuable experience. I am sure you would have lots of kids who want to participate!! I say, lets get a petition going for these closed minded schools! The scouting angle seems a little far fetched. So what if a person recorded the game on their phone or camera and put it on youtube? Maybe they want to frisk us for media recording devices so we won't put it on the internet. Start a petition! I will sign!!

-- Posted by truthorfiction on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 10:31 PM

I'm curious. Why is this story reprinted here six days after it was first published?

-- Posted by RayA on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:06 AM

RayA-because other schools were reading the article/comments and backing out because they don't want to lose! I say all or nothing. Either have live streaming for all schools or none. That way there is no advantage-perceived or not. Linton (and I would say most schools) are more than willing to have live stream as long as it cuts off after the game. The reason the paper doesn't want to do that is because of the advertisements. That wouldn't give them enough money from advertisers. In the meantime, the school gets nothing and possibly gets ticket sales taken away.

Anyhow, I'm all for livestreaming so I can watch the game LIVE from home, but I think it's ridiculous that the paper has written a one-sided article that was obviously intended to get people upset. All because the school wanted it cut off after the game and the paper won't compromise because it wants the money from the advertisers.

-- Posted by acutabove on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 7:09 AM
Response by newspaper:
The newspaper gets no additional advertising dollars if the game is replayed at a later time. We believe that there are a number of fans, relatives and players themselves that would love to view these games. We offered to take them off after 2-3 days but the Linton A.D. still declined. The paper has gone from archiving forever to 2-3 days, the Linton A.D. hasn't tried to compromise or move at all.

O, and like it or not, every coach scouts and every coach watches game video (except maybe Brett). That's not going to change-it's been part of the game for years. Why not give every school the same advantage or disadvantage? And you don't know bball very well if you think there's not much advantage to scouting.

-- Posted by acutabove on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 7:31 AM

So are you saying if you hadn't told the advertisers that it would be archived they would still be on board?

Is it possible that Linton is doing their own live streaming and that is why they're not compromising?

-- Posted by acutabove on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 9:29 AM

I didn't find the article one-sided, again, seemed like the paper was willing to compromise. It is interesting that the coaches can get tapes of the games, so the scouting 'conspiracy theory' is BS. In reading the comments it sounds like the community, students, parents & relatives look at this as a great opportunity. Again, why is the AD the decision maker here when the issue affects many? What about the Superintendent, what about the (ELECTED) school-board?

-- Posted by BG-reader on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 9:37 AM

Why would another coach want to trade cds with you if they already had your games on the internet?

-- Posted by acutabove on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:52 PM

From the article:

'Karazsia said he would agree to a day after the game, but List said, "That's not enough time to allow relatives and fans to watch the game."'

I don't get it. Isn't something better than nothing? Karazsia's proposition may not be the perfect solution but it's certainly better than nothing, especially when he holds all the cards.

-- Posted by JShafford on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:56 PM

I thought they were called DVD's

-- Posted by krebstar on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 1:34 PM

C'mon people...Really?

The school offered one day. People who want to see the games can do it within the 24 hour period. If they don't, they probably won't watch it at all. If the GCDW cared so much, they would take the school up on this.

It doesn't matter why the school will not allow a week. I agree with JShafford, why not take the one day that was offered. What's in it for the GCDW that they are pushing so hard for a week?

By the way, the scouting reason is a good one. Coaches will scout and get tapes of teams on their schedule, but they will not have access to every game of the team they are scouting. If these games are in the archives then opposing coaches would have access to every game. The coaches at Linton have a validated concern in my opinion.

Greene County Daily World needs to quit being so hard headed and take what is offered. Oh yeah, Mr. Pruett and the GCDW need to quit using this blog and the community to pressure the school into changing it's mind. SHAME ON YOU!!!

-- Posted by Riggy13 on Fri, Nov 26, 2010, at 9:38 AM

EG Mom,

Parents like yourself are great! But as a coach, I have seen time and time again where parents wouldn't go to games to support their kids.

The last time I went to a girls game, there weren't a hundred people there. When a child looks up in the stands and sees even one family member there AT THE EVENT WITH THEM, it means more to the kid than having a dozen supposedly watching at a computer. Everyone is talking about scouting, but suppose the reason for not showing the games is to drum up more support for the kids live at the event.

Riggy 13 hit it right on the money. I wonder if this site makes more money for the more hits they get somehow? Of course they want more viewers.

-- Posted by NewberryUSA on Fri, Nov 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM


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