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Some unhappy with coal mine company's logging on state property

Friday, March 19, 2010
While the clear-cut logging going on at Hillenbrand Fish and Wildlife Area in northwestern Greene County by an area coal company has been deemed legal by state officials, not everyone is happy about the practice.

Lily Group, based in Sullivan, the developer of a new underground coal mine located adjacent to the fish and wildlife area, started clear-cutting about 120 acres 10 days ago.

The logging site is located near the intersection County Roads 700N and 1500W in Wright Township.

Final permits from the state Department of Natural Resources have yet to be secure by the coal company, but log cutting operations on land in which Lily Group holds the mineral rights is underway.

A Greene County man, who lives next to the state property and near the mine site, is not happy.

"What about concerns for wildlife habitat loss, soil erosion, and loss to the public? I own property that butts up to Hillenbrand on the north end of the current logging activity. I thought I was safe having the State of Indiana as my neighbor from ever having to deal with such extreme intrusion," said Hershel Neff III, whose property borders the Hillenbrand FWA. "This is clear-cutting. They are cutting everything down. This is not selective cutting.

He continued, "I'm not against jobs for Greene County, however, I am opposed to the rape of taxpayer's money and public resources to benefit a single source, in this case a coal mine that will profit from these endeavors. Sullivan County commissioners approved trying for federal grant money to do a feasibility study for a 5,000 acre lake to be located near Hymera. Landree Mine will be discharging into Headwaters Big Branch region of the Busseron Creek Watershed, which will feed directly into the area under consideration for the lake. It would make much more sense to concentrate economic growth surrounding this lake for long-term stability in the local workforce that isn't detrimental to the environment. Monroe Lake, Cecil M. Harden Lake, and Patoka Lake can be cited for economic growth and development surrounding a large body of water that has remained stable."

Lily Group spokesman Cory Smith said the company wants to be a good neighbors in the development of its Landree mining operation.

"We wouldn't be doing anything if we didn't have permission. We want to be good neighbors with everybody. That's why we have gone through all the guidelines and everything. I can tell you, there is a lot of 'red tape'," Smith said.

Smith said the timing of the cut is a business decision with concern for wildlife -- particularly the habitat for the Indiana Bat.

"We had to do the wood cutting by a certain date, we have to have the trees down by April 15," Smith said. "We've walked the property many times with the state and the people who are over the protected species to make sure we were doing it according to their wishes."

Neff also raised concern about the bonding of county roads used in the logging and mining operations.

Greene County Highway Superintendent Mike Hennette said Friday morning that he was aware of the logging going on, and said the roads leading to the site were not bonded at this time.

Hennette pointed out there is currently a 10-ton weight limit on county roads.

The road superintendent said, "The road is not bonded, but the person that is doing that is permitted to cut trees. But he can not take any trees out because we've got a 10-ton load limit on the road. I think the only thing he is doing is just cutting them down. He's going to haul them out of there some time, but he's well aware of the load limit."

Hennette added, "Whenever the coal mine comes in there they are going to have to bond some roads."


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Mr Neff's comments about rape of taxpayers is a very offensive choice of words, having a very close friend exerience a rape I can assure Mr Neff that cutting some tree's is not even close to a rape of a person

-- Posted by greene co native on Fri, Mar 19, 2010, at 5:17 PM

You are right to a point L A. Being a truck driver myself, it depends on if the truck has a sleeper or not. But with a trailer attached, even a daycab would weigh in excess of 10 tons.

This just adds to my concerns about this mine. They keep "going around" the red-tape. If they only own the mineral rights, they should have gotten the land owners permission for the clear cutting. I think that everything the county commissioners have done with the abatements is gonna bite them.

I do hope they take out alot of rock with the coal while they are mining. I believe there is a federal law that there has to be a 5ft ceiling. And with the sema only averaging 1.8 to 4.9 feet in thickness, they will have to take out rock. I know for a fact from people that I am related to that live in the area to the north and east of them that there is an 11ft thick vein about 245ft down. Peabody drilled these peoples property in the 80's. I'm not sure if Peabody owns the mineral rights, but it's worth alot for everyone in the area to check into. I dont believe this mine wil last 20 years. 10 tops in my opinion.

-- Posted by bulldog95 on Fri, Mar 19, 2010, at 5:43 PM

greene co native, there is more than one definition of the word "rape". From dictionary.com and as used in this article it means "an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside."

Mr. Neff did not mean any disrespect to anyone in his use of this word. Try a little research before you jump on someone's case. Don't make this out to be something it wasn't meant to be and isn't.

-- Posted by gocolts on Fri, Mar 19, 2010, at 7:33 PM

Help me out here. If this is a deep mine, why do they have to cut the trees???

-- Posted by Sue62 on Sat, Mar 20, 2010, at 8:31 AM

OK. According to a later article, they are cutting trees to get access to the mining locations and for their plants above ground. BUT, isn't 120 acres a pretty big plat of land for that?

-- Posted by Sue62 on Sat, Mar 20, 2010, at 8:36 AM

Yes and no Sue62. It all just depends on how big there prep plant, if they ar gonna make stoker coal, steam coal or both. How big the shop is going to be. Office facilities. Access roads off of the county road.

The roads should have been bonded even before the logging company came in.

-- Posted by bulldog95 on Sat, Mar 20, 2010, at 10:42 AM

You can keep all of the people happy some of the time; and, you can keep some of the people happy all of the time, but you can not keep all of the people happy all of the time.

Somedays it is just your time to be unhappy about something. It is not a perfect World.

-- Posted by Globe&Anchor on Sat, Mar 20, 2010, at 9:59 PM

To me it sounds like this:

"We need jobs in Greene County"

"Don't cut down our trees"

Come on people I'm sure new trees will be planted. If you've not seen it go check out Greene Sullivan State Forest! It's beautiful land that at one time was mined.

-- Posted by GREENE on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 9:50 AM

What is the status of the 5,000 acre lake proposed around Hymera? This is the first I have heard about it and hope it happens.

-- Posted by localyokal on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 10:33 AM

I havent heard about the lake either. Where exactly is it supposed to be going in and who is doing the work?

-- Posted by bulldog95 on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 12:20 PM

The story about the lake can be found on WTHI at: http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/news_wthi... .

The reason Landree Mine is clearing so much land (besides the fact that DNR is permitting them to keep the enormous profit from the trees) is so they can dump their slurry into the old mine works under neighboring properties and allow their poison to flow into the local watershed.

-- Posted by Gilmour2 on Sun, Mar 21, 2010, at 10:37 PM

I drove out and checked the area at Hillenbrand and most of it doesnt even have trees. If its where they got the yellow stakes and the black plastic its just a bunch of weeds and small brush.

-- Posted by BadSpellerrr on Tue, Mar 23, 2010, at 4:28 PM

LXbowhunter,

Turn north on 1500 West from Highway 54W and after crossing the second RR track, turn left (West) on 735W North. You will quickly come to the knuckle boom along the north side of the road. Look to your right (N) as you drive west on 735 North. You can't miss it.

-- Posted by Gilmour2 on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 8:20 AM

Ahhh..yeh well this will definatley push alot of the hunters to the East side of 54. To bad there is so much pressure out there the hunting is extremely difficult!

-- Posted by BadSpellerrr on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:02 PM

They will haev fun dumping their slurry into the old mineworks. They are completely filled with water. There wont be anywhere for anything to go. They are supposed to build slurry ponds. They just cant release it and let it go. Big problems. Just ask the people in southern Kentucky and northern Tennessee where there slurry dam failed. Big fines!!

-- Posted by bulldog95 on Fri, Mar 26, 2010, at 12:35 AM


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