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KIND WORDS -- Chelsi Elkins, at left, said she had grown since going to to the Pregnancy Choices Center in Linton. "I always believed in God, but my faith and trust have grown so much (since going to PC)," Elkins said. (Greene County Daily World/Jo Chiparo) |
The second annual fundraiser dinner for Pregnancy Choices (PC) was held Tuesday evening at the Greene County Cooperative Extension Building at the fairgrounds near Switz City.
The theme of "Shine Your Light" matched the mood of the evening as more than 200 guests dined under twinkling lights and lighted candles.
Following dinner, guests listened to touching testimonies from three young client mothers who related their experiences at Pregnac Choices.
Sarah Ray held her small baby as she thanked everyone at PC saying it was an awesome program."
Ray added that the program had helped her in so many ways and made her a more responsible mother.
Marshadie Lewis and Chelsi Elkins echoed the same thoughts.
"I always believed in God, but my faith and trust have grown so much (since going to PC)," Elkins said.
The main speaker, Kirk Walden, writer, humorist and national consultant to pregnancy care ministries from Nashville, Tenn. gave an inspirational talk on his experiences and goals for PC.
At 28 years of age, Walden was hired as a director for a PC center.
"PC is on the front lines with life and death choices." Walden explained. "When girls go in, their lives are changed. Someone says 'You don't have to be alone.'"
Walden's said the first medical clinic PC with an ultrasound opened in 1996.
"Once the girls saw their baby and realized life is real, they changed their minds about abortion," Walden said.
He added that if the local PC could get only $15,000 in donations it would have enough funds for an ultrasound, and with an ultrasound, more space would be needed.
"Every gift given here tonight will go toward a bigger place and a medical facility," added Walden.
In her remarks, Pregnancy Choice Director Michelle Brown said PC in Linton had a successful year with more than 550 clients, an increase of 150 from last year.
She said a new dad's program was recently implemented, which is a Biblically based program in which fathers cam receive counseling from mentors and instructions on child care.
"We are looking to grow," noted Brown. "Maybe we can have an ultrasound on site in the near future. We want to continue to let the light shine, but we do need more volunteers and mentors."
The ministry goals for PC are to provide practical support, compassionate care and accurate information to women facing unplanned pregnancies; help women who are struggling through the pain of issues relating to abortion experiences find healing and hope; promote sexual integrity; provide practical resources, through client service and referrals, that will assist women in providing practical need for their children and improving parenting skills.
Bill Coker, was master of ceremonies for the evening. Pastor Nick Moore gave the invocation, and Pastor David Atkins gave the benediction. Special music was provided by Andy and Katie Lanham. The food was catered by Beth Martin.
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It's too bad this area doesn't have an "other side" of the fence team. For women who would like the right to choose, and not be guilted out of their rights by people using God as their stick.
LarissaAllen, What about the baby's choice?? Oh, yeah...the baby doesn't get a choice whether it wants to live or die. And by the way, God is pro-life!!! He is in no way being used "...as their stick."
I applaud the PC staff and volunteers. Keep up the great work you are doing!! May God bless you all.
i believe these girls do have a choice... they are told all of their options and given all the details on each option... they do get to choose what they want to do... i think many young women tend to lead towards abortion because they are scared and dont know if they can be a mom yet..the PC staff is there to let them know they will support them and that they all have what it takes to be a mom...
I think all women should have a choice and not be guilted about their choice. I am personally pro-choice. They all should have a choice.
How come when you plan a pregnancy, it is a baby the second you see that positive on the test? But, when it is unplanned, it is not alive and there is an option to KILL it? That makes a lot of sense doesn't it? What if you're Mother didn't plan YOU?
Larissa, We dont use God as our Stick! yes, every one still has a choice but if these girls didnt want a child than they shouldnt have laid down and spread their legs exspecially knowing the possibilities! If you dont want a baby either stop and DONT have sex or give the baby up for adoption to a family that wants children but cant have them! Its not the baby's fault it got brought here so why KILL the beautiful baby? Abortion is the same thing as MURDER, A baby is a human being as well, here or in the womb, dont matter, it has fingers, toes, eyes, a heart, and etc. So to all the girls AND Guys who dont want a child, STOP HAVING SEX & if you dont and you end up getting pregnant than be a man and woman and either raise that child or give it up for adoption so a real family can that wants children but cant have them! If your big enough to lay down, have sex and you end up pregnant than GROW UP and give that baby a great life and be the best Mommy & Daddy you can be or let a nice family be that t your child! Babies dont deserve to die or be killed so just think what if your parents would have done that to you? How could you live wth yourself knowing you killed your child because your think your not ready or something?
Larissa, this didn't need to go in the direction you chose to take it with your first post. I will say this there are a lot of CHOICES to start with. The CHOICE to have unprotected sex, the CHOICE to abort or keep, the CHOICE to walk in to an abortion clinic or a PC center and the CHOICE to decide which way you want to proceed. No one holds a big stick to anyones head and says you have to do it this way. From the moment a person decides to have sex they have CHOICES.
Let me explain to you who doesn't have CHOICES. The PC Center. In order to not compromise their beliefs they recieve no public funding. See our government decides to take our tax dollars to the tune of 300 Million dollars a year and give it to agencies on "the other side of the fence" like planned parenthood to fund abortions. That is approx 1/3 of their total 1 BILLION dollar budget. For those of us that don't choose to support abortion we don't have any CHOICE in where are tax dollars go.
That leaves agencies like PC to fend for themselves in offering a CHOICE to pregnant mothers. So this Banquet was a way of raising funds for the center from those that make a CHOICE to support the center.
Another big thing the center does that is unique is offering a mentoring program for young fathers and they also teach these young mothers how to care for a newborn. If they choose to keep the pregancy then they will be supported through it. That is going above and beyond just saving the life of an unborn baby that is changing the life of a family. Of course again, they have the CHOICE whether they use these tools or not.
Bottom line is I am Pro-Life and I know there are people out there doing some terrible things in the name of God to go after abortion clinics. The god they are serving is not the GOD I serve. My God doesn't beat people with a stick. In my opinion, the people that blow up clinics in the name of God are not any different than a terrorist that blows up a plane in the name of Allah.
These ladies and men at PC treat these people with respect and with unconditional love. They give them all the information they need and then they let them make a CHOICE!
See there are already a lot of CHOICES for a Pro Choice person like yourself. For a Pro Lifer like me, there is really only one in the end!
LarissaAllen, this is for you. Go To http://AbortionNo.org and Watch The 65 Second Video or Go To http://AbortionInstruments.com (216 seconds) and If You Can Say That You See Nothing Wrong With What You Have Seen Then Message Me Back and Let Your Devilish Tongue Rattle Because You Are Of Satan. Pictures and Parables Speak Much Louder Than words. There is nothing wrong with showing an ultrasound to the moms and yes I did say moms. The mom will have a baby either way (dead or alive)
I was pro-choice until I watched a video about an abortion procedure online. I will never look at that "choice" as anything other than MURDER ever again. Those babies are alive - heart pumping, fingers & toes moving - inside you, then the precious little babies are gone forever. I'm am so grateful there are wonderful centers such as PC for girls to go to, instead of that horrid Planned Parenthood.
i have always had mixed feelings on the subject. i bit and had to check out the videos u posted... had a hard time watching them... didnt even watch them all the way through... so sad...i think that in some situations i could see someone having an abortion very early on like in the 4-6 wk area but after that i think it shouldnt be allowed.... you are correct they are babies as soon as they are concieved... but in a situation of rape/molestation i could see someone making the choice to terminate the pregnancy... but i honestly dont think i could do that no matter what the situation may be.... so i guess you could say im pro-choice on the matter but i have stipulations in that decision...you are correct there are plenty of people out there that would love to have a baby that cant and if you just dont want your baby the carry it to term and give it up for adoption...
Whats right for one woman may not be what is right for another. No one has the right to dictate that.
Pro-Choice.
Come on ladies, PC manipulates those young girls!! Their choice is the only one and that is what they push with awful vidoes and stories, using God as a stick, medical procedures, etc.
Dallas13--have you ever been in the clinic? Do you know someone that has? Those girls walk into that clinic of their own free will just like they can when they walk into a planned parenthood.
They are given information from pro life side. PP gives their pro choice side too. There is no manipulation. Those young ladies have information that allows them to make an informed choice.
A woman should have the right to choose and not be made to feel guilty-whether she has the baby, allows the baby to be adopted or choses to terminate the pregnancy.
Pro choice.
I personally feel as though women should have a choice, especially in certain circumstances, such as rape. I also feel as though children shouldn't be brought into this world if they can't be taken care of properly.
Ok Dallas13 PC dont manipulate us! Im one of the girls that goes to their Mommy classes. They are they to support and help out! My opinion if you are big enough to lay down and have sex than you should be big enough to raise YOUR child! My baby is the greatest thing to ever happen to me and i wouldnt trade my life as a mommy for ANYTHING! So to all those girls that think abortion is the right choice, i just wanna know how you could live with yourself knowing YOU MUREDERED YOUR BABY? You should GROW UP and raise that child or carry it to full term and give your child up for adoption! You ladies that choose abortion have the greatest gift to concieve a child and their are lots of women out there that want a baby so bad but cant concieve so let them women adopt and raise your child! A baby is a HUMAN BEING the moment its concieved, it has everything we have but yet its still Legal to MUREDER that child while in the womb. MUREDER is just MUREDER weither it be abortion in the mothers womb or just out here in the world!
Dallas13,
You have GOT to be kidding me!! Planned Parenthood DOESN'T manipulate young girls?! The pro choice side views abortion as the ONLY choice. For instance, take the hissy fit they threw over the Tim Tebow commercial which was as innocuous as can be.
Awful videos?! Could that be because abortion is an awful procedure?!?
lovelygirl89-Your tone doesn't match your user name. Maybe you should learn to be tolerant of others opinions, which would be a great example for your baby.
You're all ridiculous. We have people on here attempting to speak for God. People yelling at people about disagreeing with them. I don't know why this topic was brought up in the first place, but as long as we are, this is my opinion. This country is a secular state, which bases the laws on science not religion, or at least that's how it's supposed to work. As much as some of you might disagree with this scientifically that baby is not a baby until it is able to live outside the womb. I realize that there are abortions allowed when the baby is able to live outside the womb, but that is a separate issue. I don't know what goes on inside the PC building so I can't say if they are being impartial or not on the options the pregnant woman has, but the way the speaker talked about it, he made it seem like they were very pro-life, which is fine, because there are other organizations out there that can provide other options. In general helping pregnant teens is helpful no matter what your stance on abortion.
Well said, greenecounty21
I'm sorry DonCon, but I think you are ridiculous. A baby isn't a baby until it's able to live outside the womb? Oh really? Then what is it before then, a hippopotamus?
Yeah, I know what you'll say......it's a fetus. Well, what IS a fetus? The word fetus is Latin for offspring. Since you are so big on Science, you should know that humans produce humans. These are tiny human beings and you know that.
This entire discussion has degenerated into the same unfortunate area it always goes into...name calling and accusations. There are very strong feelings on both sides, but calling people names will never lead to any productive discussion on the matter.
DonCon--"This country is a secular state, which bases the laws on science not religion, or at least that's how it's supposed to work".
I will respectfully disagree. That is not what we were founded on. I will agree that we have become a secular state, but that is not what we started out to be. Science is king only because we are a society of people that cannot believe what we can't see, feel or touch or explain with our human minds.
Science has plenty of holes in it and plenty of things that it can't explain. It uses man made tools, with man made formulas to explain a man made hypothesis. It will never be able to explain God's gift of life. It can merely explain in hindsight how it happened. That would take faith in creation, which science, in its closeminded state doesn't allow for.
Let me ask you this. If a pregnant mother is murdered, or physically hurt to the point that the "not a baby" is murdered then why is the suspect so often charged with infanticide? If it is "not a baby" as you say, there should be no charges. Correct?
"I realize that there are abortions allowed when the baby is able to live outside the womb, but that is a separate issue."
This is not a separate issue, it is part of the issue. The scientific world does not want to debate this statement because it doesn't fit in a nice scientific box and it contradicts the "not a baby" statement.
I choose to believe the Bible and God's plan...all of it. I don't serve an Ipod God that will allow me to take only parts of the Bible that I like and make up my own mini religion. My faith is in God and how he creates life and sustains it. You have a choice to believe how you do and I respect that, but don't call me ridiculous.
Greenecounty21--i know whats best for my child so i dont need you telling what is and what isnt! okay? and as for my tone with my words, thats my opinion and theres nothing wrong with that! AND DonCon--im sorry but you are wrong, Babies become a baby once they are concieved no matter what anyone says! What do you think you are looking at when you get you ultrasound done? A BABY IS WHAT YOUR LOOKING AT! Inside the womb it IS still a living Human Being, with Toes, Fingers, eyes, Nails, A Heart, Hair, Legs, Arms, Belly, Belly Button, boy/girl parts, everything we have that BABY inside the mothers womb has!
"In her remarks, Pregnancy Choice Director Michelle Brown said PC in Linton had a successful year with more than 550 clients, an increase of 150 from last year."
Should we REALLY be bragging about these numbers increasing? It's sad that these numbers are going up.
I take it to mean another young lady ( or client ) that's pregnant, it's not just numbers.
What about birth control?
I AM glad that there's someplace they can get help though.
hunter_47443--at least all us girls choose life instead of killing our Unborn child that did nothing wrong to deserve to be murdered! But yes im very glad for the PC because they have truly helped alot
Well all i gotta say is that Michelle Brown has came into my school and talked to us about PC. And i totally agree that the place is a good site for info. But I do also agree with hunter_47443 because they shouldnt be bragging about numbers rising, girls need BIRTH CONTROL! If your a teenager having sex..i highly recommend that. The teenage years are wayyyy too early to be having a kid..and i also know that the PC goes on religious views...So I also know that some girls ar talked out of abortion..which im not saying is bad or good. But everyone has their own beliefs and they should be able to do whatever they feel like doing. I am personally pro-choice. I think is the womans OWN business on what to do with her pregnancy. NO ONE ELSES! So im glad to hear on here that everyone is saying Abortion is wrong. Well to tell u the truth...thats YOUR OPINION! Its a free world..people do what they wanna do, to whatever they wanna do it to. If abortion was soo wrong...then y is it legal...tell me that? Im not saying I would get one..but everyone has their own viewson it.
lovelygirl89
"My opinion if you are big enough to lay down and have sex than you should be big enough to raise YOUR child!"
I have to ask. Are you raising your child or are the tax payers??? If you are now on public assistance then we the taxpayers are raising your child not you.
550 clients! This really shows that all the money spent on sex-ed and abstinence programs went to good use.
I would be willing to bet that more than 90% of these clients are now receiving public assistance of some sort. Maybe they should re-name this place FWRA (Future Welfare Recipients of America). They probably even help the clients get signed up and educate them on how to play the system. Every one debate the issue of choice but we the working tax payers don't get a choice.
notgreenenative---Nice below the belt shot...Real classy! Why aren't you railing on how we taxpayers don't have a choice in supporting illegal immigrants or the fact that we are having no say in a health care plan that will be paid by our tax dollars that is getting rammed down our throats? Or the fact that our tax dollars are paying for a war that has no end in sight?
Perhaps you would support a mandatory one kid rule like they have in China so your precious tax dollars wouldn't have to support too many kids.
Your comments about renaming PC are classless and out of line. You don't have a clue about the facts because you dont care enough to be apart of the solution on either side. It is a lot easier to sit behind your computer screen an whine and cry.
I agree with notgreenenative...she has made a GOOD point. I can almost bet you that they are all on welfare or are mooching off thier mommy and daddy. Stop spreading your legs and get a job to support YOUR OWN FAMILY.
BTW notgreenenative---you're right we don't have a choice as taxpayers, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether your pro-life or pro choice. That is because Caesar takes what Caesar wants. Deal with it because that isn't going to change for any of us.
and BTW Your wrong about how many of the clients are using public assistance. Yes some of them are but MOST of us support and raise our child by having a job and working for our money to give our child the best life they could ask for! So dont jump to conclusions when you just DONT KNOW! Youve never been in PC and youve never talked to like any of the ladies doin it or the girls in PC! They dont make you change your mind on abortion and what not, the clients that come in about abortion ask for help and want to sit down and talk about every choice and situaton and PC helps them out! They dont turn their head on you when you decide to still get an abortion, they still help you when you need them to help you out! What if YOUR child said she was getting a abortion aka MURDER Your grandchild? You cant change that once its done and you will never ever get that child back again, get to raise that baby, hold that baby, see who that baby looks more like, mommy or daddy, maybe grandma or grandpa, You will never get to have anything with that child!
Sierra-- My child was actually planned to tell you the truth, and I was and am ready to have and raise my child! No it wouldnt be your choice but you could tell her something like any parent would that yes you would love her and be there for her no matter what, but maybe that you would help her with her child whenever she needed you or to have her child and let a nice family that cant have children but want them adopt that child and she could have an open adoption so she could still see the baby! And I do know a few people that have had an abortion and now every one of them regret it and wish they could take it back!
Sierra-- a couple of questions if I may. You said in an earlier post that girls need birth control. Girls have a choice to get birth control, and it is free if I recall...that place is called planned parenthood.
You also said that it is a womans choice to do with her pregnancy what she wants. Here is the problem though. Pro Choice advocates, like yourself, are all about choice. Their choices! When a place like PC offers other choices,then all the Pro Choice people come out of the woodwork saying they don't really want a choice. So what is it? Are you really pro choice and want all girls to have ALL the choices available to them? If so why does PC bother you so much?
To address Hunter and Sierra about the rise in numbers. I do believe that is a good thing because that only indicates that there are more women taking advantage of the services and options that PC offers. It is NOT and indication of a spike in unplanned pregnancies. Please don't twist the actual facts to make it look like something it is not.
As a matter of courtesy, it would also be nice if people would refrain from attacking people based on their percieved economic or social status, especially when that is based on conjecture and unsubstanitated opinions.
I will be happy to have a respectful dialogue with you if you choose to go that route. Thanks
lovelygirl89 is chelsi the one in the picture if you can't already tell by the comments.
why does it matter who i am? im still going to have my opinion no matter what and its gong to be the same as before
gc_citizen10 why do u automatically assume that lovelygirl89 is the same girl that is in the picture.... yet another person jumping to conclusions in their comments. maybe she and the girl in the picture have similar opinions.... hmmm..what an intersting thought... to many of you it is fine to have an opinion but i must agree with pop...the personal attacks are uncalled for... share your opinion and move on... we all have an opinion so why does this need to turn into a heated debate.... i think the pc center is a good thing to have around there are many young girls that need help and dont know where to turn and the pc center is a place they can go... im sure grown women can go there as well... and as for the taxpayers paying for all these babies...well i dont agree with someone that keeps having babies and lives off of welfare but the system is there for a reason so if she uses it correctly and gets a job a tries to get on her feet then good for her... shameon those that abuse the system but dont shun everyperson that recieves assistance because they are not all abusers of the system....
Sissy-- Thanks, I agree with you on the taxpayers thing. I dont think taxpayers raise the baby of the mother using wic, foodstamps, medicade, an etc. it takes alot more than just that to raise a child. And if you do you those and still have a job well than there is no problem with that at all! And yes Adults can come to these classes as well, their are actually some adults that do honestly! PC is A LOT of help and is there when you need them no matter what time, when or where!
I have to say that I agree with notgreenenative.
I'm aware of what PC is and what they do, however, I have never been a client/participant. I personally know families that are involved in PC and what they say their beliefs are and how they actually manage their lives are complete opposites.
JUST_A_GIRL-- Im a client there they actually do live their life as they say their beliefs are! PC is a GREAT place for any soon-to-be & new moms! They are so much help and are always there. This here just sickens me and is so upsetting>>>> Every day in America 4,400 babies die from an abortion. Only 1% of abortions are performed as a result of rape or incest. Most abortions are done as a form of birth control because the baby is "inconvenient," "too expensive," or a "burden." Abortion has two victims- ...- the baby and the mother. Many women who have abortions suffer both physically and mentally. Depression, anxiety, grief, infection, sterility and even death are not uncommon as a result of the abortion. Worldwide, every time you take a breath, 4 babies are aborted. Over 40 million since Roe vs. Wade in 1973 That is 1.5 million babies each year. That is 28,000 babies a week. That is 4,000 babies every day. That is 1 baby every 20 seconds.
No one can make you feel anything. Guilt is something you feel when you know you have made the wrong choice or are going to make the wrong choice.
This stuff is just getting too crazy. You guys just need to drop it.
so lovelygirl89...i was just wondering since your baby was planned and all and you were soo ready to have it...why would you need to goto their mommy classes and need to get baby bucks..to get free diapers and all that stuff. Obviously you werent too ready or else you wouldnt need no parenting classes offered from there. Sorry, but thats obviously how im seeing it. Well good thing they do have PC or else you prolly would have been a crappy mom. Since they have helped you out so much. well sorry to tell you that mothering a child should come naturally. It says that in the books. But its teens that dont know what parenting is until they take some child dev. courses or a parenting class. So im sooo happy you went there for the baby sake. :)
so lovelygirl89...i was just wondering since your baby was planned and all and you were soo ready to have it...why would you need to goto their mommy classes and need to get baby bucks..to get free diapers and all that stuff. Obviously you werent too ready or else you wouldnt need no parenting classes offered from there. Sorry, but thats obviously how im seeing it. Well good thing they do have PC or else you prolly would have been a crappy mom. Since they have helped you out so much. well sorry to tell you that mothering a child should come naturally. It says that in the books. But its teens that dont know what parenting is until they take some child dev. courses or a parenting class. So im sooo happy you went there for the baby sake. :)
SIERRA-- Your getting way out of line and your words are UNCALLED FOR!!! GROW UP AND GET A LIFE! I don't need those classes to be a great mom! Im a great mom with or without them! Just because I go there and Do work to get diapers and clothes and stuff don't mean I would be a bad mom if I didn't! You have no idea what its like obliviously! There was a time I didn't go to PC for anything after my son was born and I still did a great job and was a great mother! The way I mean PC was there for me and helped me a lot is by standing by me for support when my son had to be in Riley's Children's Hospital for a week and had to have surgery for whats called "Pyloric Stenosis"! Its where the muscle between you stomach and intestine is to large and to tight aka not fully developed right! He was 3 weeks early! So don't go judging me as mother until you know all the facts! Just because parents go to these classes or other classes don't mean they would be crappy parents if they didn't go! So like I said HE WAS PLANNED AND WE WERE READY!!! We are the best parents my child could ask for! So do me a favor, Grow Up and Step Off because you don't know anything about my Family and Our lives! Thank You!
OH AND BTW SIERRA-- your whole thing against teens being cappy parents without classes is wrong! My oldest sister got pregnant her senior year and graduated a mnth before she had her daugter, being a TEEN MOM she DID NOT take any classes and she was still a great mom like myself! So your crappy teen mom is NOTHING but a MYTH!
lovelygirl89---I appreciate your points but you need to stop now because all sierra is doing is baiting you with words to make you mad...and its working. She obviously is only intersted in stating opinions with no fact and getting you riled up. I have given her opportunities to have a prodoctive dialoge but she doesn't want to do that. She only wants to say hurtful things. Let her be.
Sissy-- Thanks, I agree with you on the taxpayers thing. I dont think taxpayers raise the baby of the mother using wic, foodstamps, medicade, an etc. it takes alot more than just that to raise a child. And if you do you those and still have a job well than there is no problem with that at all! And yes Adults can come to these classes as well, their are actually some adults that do honestly! PC is A LOT of help and is there when you need them no matter what time, when or where!
-- Posted by lovelygirl89 on Mon, Mar 15, 2010, at 8:28 AM
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It does take a lot more than WIC, Food Stamps, etc, to raise a child. However, raising one without food is pretty difficult.
And there is a problem if you have a job and still use food stamps, etc. It means that you don't make enough to support yourself and any children that you may have. It means that you believe that taxpayers should have to step up and take care of your responsibilities.
Finally, while you seem to get pretty fired up if you feel like someone is questioning whether you know what is best for you, but you sure don't seem to have a problem telling other people what is best for them.
JUST SAYIN'--- i never told anyone what is best for them! And it dont matter if people use any of that, they are the ones raising their children, and if they have a job and still need a little help, they are still taxpayers themselves so THEY ARE still raising their child! I do know whats best for me and my family, none of you know me so none of you should be judging my parenting! Some things on here are being taken to far and no one needs to be telling others what they are or how they are if you understand what im saying!
So telling another girl what she should feel or think when she sees an ultrasound is not telling her what is best for her?
Telling them that if they become pregnant that they either need to keep the baby or give it up for adoption isn't telling them what is best for them?
My point about needing help is that if someone is planning to start a family, then being able to do that without needing any financial help is pretty much a prerequisite. That is if the person doing the planning is responsible. That is not aimed at you. I don't know if you provide for all of your child's needs financially or not.
As to things on here being taken too far, you lost all credibility with me on that issue when you started with your 'abortion is murder' gospel. I don't care if you believe that. More power to you if you do. I'd argue for your right to believe that.
But simply because you believe it doesn't make it so for everyone else.
LMFAO!
I never said what a girl should feel when she sees the ultrasound what i said was to someone that said a baby isnt a baby until its out of the womb and i dissagreed and asked them what they think it is they were looking at when they view the ultrasound! But i do feel if someone is big enough to lay down and have sex knowing all the possibilities and still dont care and get pregnant, than they shouldnt punish the baby for them not caring about what could happen! And the hospital signed my child up for medicade, they attomatically do with any newborn infant they deliver in case something like my case happens and the child needs a suregery or something highly expensive! But I do as well as his father does, have a good job and am a taxpayer myself so we the parents raise our child!
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on your ultrasound comments, because I read them as you telling them that they are seeing a baby. My apologies if I am misunderstanding your words.
This perhaps is a better example of what I see as you telling others what they should do:
"You should GROW UP and raise that child or carry it to full term and give your child up for adoption!"
I've honestly never heard of a baby being automatically signed up to be on Medicade. However, just because I haven't heard of it doesn't mean it is not so. And congrats on being a Greene County resident and having a good job. That is something that many aren't able find.
I sincerely do commend you for being a young woman who is trying to do her best to raise her child. I truly mean that. There are plenty of terrible parents in this world, so when someone cares and is trying hard to provide what their child needs, then I think they deserve respect for that.
As I said above, I don't care if you think abortion is wrong, if you think that life begins at conception, or anything along those lines. That's part of the beauty of our country. You get to think what you want, and so does everyone else.
It's just very hard for me to believe that, as POP says
"These ladies and men at PC treat these people with respect and with unconditional love"
when I read posts condemning people who have made different choices than you have.
If PC does teach and go by the principles that POP outlines, then great. Unconditional love is something that the world could use more of. However, if it teaches intolerance for others and their choices, then I have to agree with the first comment made by LarissaAllen.
Yes i believe everyone does have their own opinion and eveyone has a different choice and everything! But it dont hurt to try to talk to the girls thinking about abortions and showing them what motherhood is like! In the end its going to be up to them no matter what anyone says, but is nice to give them all their options with keeping the baby or adoption and so forth! But again back to my other comment, I do think that if ANYONE is big and grown up enough to hav sex and make the baby, than they should be grown up enough to raise their child or let a nice family adopt because that baby desrves a chance at life and living a life too! And Thank You! We do, do our best a raising our child and have been doing a great job at it! But yes some hospitals do sign a newborn up for medicade! But again Thanks
After reading your last comment, I think we are likely more in agreement on things than I originally thought, lovelygirl89. :) You are 100% correct, it does not hurt to give girls all the information possible about every choice available to them. I think it is an absolute must, so that they can make the best decision in what can be a really scary time.
It's a lot of hard work to be a mom. I do very much applaud PC for taking active steps to help educate both mothers *and* dads. Some times it seems that people that are staunchly pro life don't care nearly so much about what happens to babies after they are born. It sounds like the PC program is trying hard to help families after the baby gets here, and that is something that will benefit all of us as a community and as a country.
I do wish you the very best as you and your family go forward. And if you are the girl in the picture, your baby is a cutie! If you aren't, I'm sure your own is adorable, as all babies are. :)
hospitals DO NOT automatically sign your child up for medicaid. they turn in the birth informaion to you insurance company if you are on medicaide then thats who they turn it into. if you are on blue cross blue shield then thats who they urn it into..... just an FYI... and i have to agree with POP lovelygirl89 u need to stop getting so ralled up by sierra thats what she s trying to do. And as far as my earlier comment about getting assistance it is ok but the taxpayers are helping to raise that child.
People on here are awful worried about their tax dollars paying for medicaid, wic, food stamps etc.. Wish you were all as worried about your tax dollars going to bailout wall street, pay for two wars, or paying for illegals etc...We spend alot more of our tax dollars on those things.
Here is my thoughts on aid. My tax dollars are going to pay for people that are getting unemployment insurance right now. Good people that have fallen on tough times. My tax dollars also go to pay for people that need public assistance such as wic, food stamps etc.
Now in both of those cases there are people that are taking advantage of the system, but that applies to every area of life and every layer of economic status. I think it is highly unfair to lump all people into the same category when you don't know the situation. Because when one assumes...well we all know what that makes out of us.
Some 25 yrs ago, I became a father at an early age. We did the best we could, but going to college and trying to keep a job made it very difficult to supply some of the very basic needs. If it weren't for my parents and public assistance I might not have made it through college and be in the position I am in financially now. When public assistance is used the way it is intended, it works. The system has flaws in it and there are people that take advantage of those flaws, but again that is life.
Let's keep in mind that PC is for mothers of all ages too, not just young mothers.
Let me ask you all a question. Hypothetically. If you were a young couple with a baby and were trying to go to college or tech school so you didn't have to be on aid, could you afford a babysitter if you didn't have a family? What kind of job do you suppose you have a chance to get without a degree? See there are people on aid that can't get off of it because they can't afford simple things like a babysitter or gas to get to college. Sure they can land a minimum wage job but they are still below poverty level.
Now before someone climbs up on their high horse and says that they should have thought about the consequences first, stop. Because how many times have you not thought a decision through. When it comes to sex and dating, no matter the age, emotions and hormones cloud any clear thinking.
I think it is real easy to see why this pro choice/pro life debate is so volatile. It involves so many other issues besides the actual issue. All I know is that alot of the comments that have been made on here will not do anything to ease the debate they will only make it more intense. I choose to look at problems in society as opportunities. Just my take.
JUST SAYIN'-- Thanks about what you said about my child! And yes i feel we do agree more than atisapated! SISSY-- Im sorry but my hospital did sign him up! They told me that themselves! And like i said in an earlier comment IM A TAXPAYER myself so I RAISE my child! Thanks!
Actually, POP, for the record, I don't care a bit if people who are trying to help themselves get whatever form of assistance they can get. I also know that our system sometimes makes it so that there is no safety net in place to help people who are trying to get off of assistance, and that because of the lack of that...bridge...it often times makes more sense for a single mother to be on welfare than to take a minimum wage job and lose food stamps, day care, etc.
I believe that as a caring, compassionate society we are obligated to help those who can't help themselves, and to offer a hand up to those down on their luck who are striving valiantly to improve their situation.
I let myself get "riled up" over what I perceived to be intolerance. It may or may not have been there. Either way, it is no excuse for me hammering on the taxpayer point. In retrospect, I can see that it may have seemed that I was trying to demean others, and I apologize for that.
In short, I got intolerant over what I thought was intolerance, and I was wrong to do so.
lovelygirl89, i am sure they did apply for your child to have medicaid... but what insurance were you using when you had your child?
Tried to do some Blue Cross Blue Shield medicade because we spent all our money buying my son things he had to have and that he would need! I might have got approved in the end but i dont have it now but he does! But even with my cousin, she was on i think or parents insurance but the hospital got her baby on medicade when she was born!
you just proved my point for me by saying you were on bcbs medicaide when he was born... and as for your cousin i do believe parents insurance is another assisted insurancce program so naturally they would apply for medicaide for the baby.
i didnt know they put your baby on medicade if your on your parents insurance! Even if your under 18 they still do that? My son would had to have to have been put on it wen he was 1 1/2 months anyways because his surgery was out ragious!
I can't believe this conversation is still going. It's rediculous. Do you people not have anything else to do? Perhaps be watching/takuing care of your children??
I am taking care of my son but that dont mean I dont have time for other things as well!
I can't believe this conversation is still going. It's rediculous. Do you people not have anything else to do? Perhaps be watching/takuing care of your children??
-- Posted by gc_citizen10 on Tue, Mar 16, 2010, at 1:56 PM
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If you don't like it, don't read it. There is a whole big internet out there, go find someplace else to play.
And it is not ridiculous.
When I read lovelygirl89's first post, I would have laid odds that she and I were the type of people who had no middle ground on this issue. She probably thought the same of me.
However, after posting more, we got a better idea of where each other is coming from with our viewpoints.
Does that mean we see everything eye to eye? Likely not.
However, what it does mean is that in the future, if I encounter someone whose views seem so totally different than mine on this subject that I will think of a young girl on a newspaper forum who, after talking to, I came to see as more of a person than simply being someone who was "one of them". I'll remember how I walked away from the exchange better understanding the thought process behind her beliefs and for making the choice that was right for her. I will also remember that I respected her for undertaking a task that anyone who is a parent knows isn't easy.
And maybe someday she'll meet someone who is pro choice. If she would have been inclined to instantly dismisses them in her mind, maybe she'll stop and think of a lady that she posted to on the internet. Maybe she'll remember that when it first seemed that that lady and her were on opposite sides of the fence, after talking, she did learn that they had some common ground.
That's not ridiculous. That is two strangers with different beliefs trying to set aside the determination to be right for a moment, and hear the other person as a person, not as an issue.
Does that mean that the country will immediately heal its divide on the issue of abortion, birds will sing, and leprechauns will dance on rainbows?
Nope, not at all. But the world would be a better place if such dialog happened more often.
just sayin' very well said!!!!
i totally agree with just sayin'! That was very well said! I like how this ended between us and im glad someone seen my point of view
2 Timothy 3:12 - In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
Romans 12:14 - Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.