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Council okay with annexation, but cool on any tax abatement

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
The word annexation was heard at the table of the March meeting of the Linton City Council.

During the meeting, Linton Mayor Tom Jones questioned each council member about their intentions on the matter.

"I would like to know your intentions to Bridal Brook," he said, also asking would the council consider offering a tax abatement -- which would allow the property owner to phase in payment of property taxes over a designated period.

The "Bridle Brook Adult Community" project was proposed to the council in December 2008 by representatives of Phoenix Construction and Development LLC of Terre Haute.

The proposed location for the assisted living facility was at State Road 54 and Lone Tree Road -- near Wal-Mart and caddy-corner from the Greene County General Hospital.

The council later agreed to move forward with plans to annex the area as well as part of Grant Township into the city of Linton. The fiscal plan for the project was approved in May 2009.

But the annexation ordinance was later halted and has never been voted on.

"(Due to budget cuts) I don't know how we're going to maintain the services we expect and deserve...so what's the intent," Jones reiterated during the Monday meeting.

Council member Tony Richards replied first by saying that he's in favor of voluntary annexation, but not a tax abatement.

Richards also said he would like to see the assisted living facility built.

Council President Jerry Ellett agreed with Richards' take on the matter.

Council member Linda Bedwell said, "If Guthrie wants to volunteer his land... that's all fine."

Bedwell also added she was against annexing those who didn't want to be in the city and against offering a tax abatement.

Council member Charlie Cox said, "No to tax abatement and yes to volunteer annexation."

After the meeting, Mayor Jones explained that there are several forms of tax abatements.

"A tax abatement is a tax phase-in," he added, noting it's an economic development tool.

Council member Nigel Lehman was not present at the Monday meeting.

Bridle Brook Adult Community would have offered 90 apartments with amenities as well as an Alzheimer's unit and hospice care rooms.

The project would have also brought jobs to the area. Upon opening the facility's doors, at least 30 employees would have been needed.


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Has anyone asked BridleBrook about their intentions? I have, why is the whole story not being told?

-- Posted by johnpaulcoleman on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 3:41 PM

I have a golf cart I would like to trade for a loud oil leaking atv that can ride a wheelie down main street and will be ignored by police and the councilmen. Any one interested please reply. Be careful though before taking my cart. It is very dangerous. i goes slow, stays on all four wheels and doesn't leak oil or make noise. That would be wrong!

-- Posted by LHS Dad on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 4:05 PM

the council is taking the correct course, that's probably their intent.

-- Posted by newspeak08 on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 4:23 PM

John--what is Bridlebrook telling you? That is the problem with some of these articles. We only get one side.

-- Posted by POP on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 4:58 PM

Bridlebrook does not care if they are in the city limits, it does not effect them in any way. Just ask yourself a simple question: If i were building a business would it matter which side of the town limit line I was on? To act like they will only come here if Linton annexes is insane.

-- Posted by johnpaulcoleman on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 5:59 PM

POP....you're sort of scaring the day lights out of me my friend??? That's the problem with every news story ever created...you're only gonna get one side of the story..ever...depending on what side the news is on!! i hope the best comes out of this apparant mess for the city of linton and it's fine community...not necessarily the CITY of Linton! As far as asking Guthrie to donate his land, seams a little much...he hasn't been a businessman for that many years making decisions like that! I'm sure if ANY healthcare facility wanted to seriously consider moving or building in the area some deal could be arranged where both parties would be happy. The place sounds like it would be a great addition to the community though...much needed for sure! Speaking of...are they adding an addition to Glenburn? I assume that's who owns the property where the old church was torn down? (not to fall in the old "a-s-s-u-m-e" trap....again) maybe both facilities could ask our fearless president for a grant to build something or maybe add-on.....i'm sure he'd be happy to write a check for something else! but anyway...hey LHS dad...wish my loud, wheelie-ridin atv hadn't got stolen (happens a lot in town nowadays i hear) i'd really like a good golfcart.....thinking about opening an extreme cart racing track out at the old drive-in, i hear i may have some great deals coming up on carts around town! shoot, maybe look into boltenwood and make a golfcart supercross!! wanna go into business LHS??

-- Posted by iNdePEnDeNt...thought on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 6:23 PM

Oh my I would not any to break any laws. How could I get it to the track without violating any ordinances?

-- Posted by LHS Dad on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 7:00 PM

I am well aware of that fact independent thought. There is a big difference in a reporter that merely writes what they record at a meeting and an investigative reporter that wants to show both sides. We really dont have any investigative reporting in this town. The only reason that both sides of the annexation issue got some print in the past is because of the amount of people that showed up at those meetings to give the other side.

"The project would have also brought jobs to the area. Upon opening the facility's doors, at least 30 employees would have been needed." This last line in the article speaks in the past tense as if it is a dead issue. Nice Slant!

John, that is what I thought too. The mayor wants to hang his hat on the job creation but that is smoke and mirrors. The fact is if he had spent as much time looking for new jobs and keeping the ones that existed, as he spent on trying to shove annexation down our throats, then almost 7 yrs later we might have some jobs to talk about.

If BridleBrook has to pay extra to hook up to the city, it is simply a cost of construction to them. The business they are in is not going suffer from lack of clients. Lets face it, we all get old and that is a pretty good business to be in. The City doesn't need to do anything to attract that kind of business. BB knows what their profits are going to be in the future and the economy isn't affecting them.

-- Posted by POP on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM

POP...i truly agree with ya!! hope i didn't offend ya, i don't think you are blind to the reality of the news (distorted as it may be)! just making a point to the lesser-educated citizens about a topic that should be greatly discussed...WE NEED JOBS!! and yes, darn the luck we do all grow old someday (hopefully), and we are all going to need someone to take care of us! i hope this is given great consideration and discussion before the opportunity slips away. but asking a businessman to "donate" his land is ridiculous and, personally, rude! ps...good point about the past tense used in the article....think they meant it that way? me too.

-- Posted by iNdePEnDeNt...thought on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 8:58 PM

I think you mis-read the article. What was meant was if he voluntarily wanted to be annexed, not give the land.

-- Posted by johnpaulcoleman on Tue, Mar 9, 2010, at 9:36 PM

I would like to know the whole story, because as of right now it is things like this that make me want to get out of Linton quickly. Do people not have the general and basic understanding of business?! By offering a tax abatement we are drawing a business in. By getting them here we have more job openings and another business that will spend money in the area. Those people with jobs will have more money, and will put it back into the local economy as well. That extra money going into other local businesses will then be put back into the economy which will happen over and over. There is a basic formula that when extra money is given you can figure out how much will be put back into the economy. It will trickle down to everyone. It is the basic principle that the government used when they paid out the stimulus checks. Those went wrong because it was a one time thing, and everybody saved their check instead of spending, with this new business it would be a continuous thing and benefit the town as a whole. Give them a tax phase in, heck give them a tax abatement for 30 years, it will still pay off in the long run. What the council needs to do is take a look at Nashville and how they have become a major booming area. I know that Nashville and Linton are completely different, but if they follow the same basic principles our little town, and the people in it, could really benefit. This is ludicrous and the council should really talk to some people that have a little bit of economic background before making ignorant decisions.

-- Posted by concerned citizen40 on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 10:07 AM

I thought Ellis water served those who weren't in the city limits. The sewage would also be as a rural sewage, if they are in Grant twp that fire dept and Greene co sherrif are the police and fire now if they are in Stockton twp Linton is the fire dept wheather they are in the city limits or not, the twp you are in is the fire dept and policing you receive. It sounds like the city of Linton is trying to get their hands on something that is not theirs and shouldn't be.

-- Posted by elynn66 on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 10:52 AM

Maybe it will bring as many jobs as the biofuel plant did out by the triangle. That's what happens when the mayor opens his mouth without knowing all the facts.

-- Posted by dj2party on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 11:30 AM

In some cases those that do not pay city taxes pay a higher rate for utilities.

-- Posted by johnpaulcoleman on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 12:41 PM

In some cases those that do not pay city taxes pay a higher rate for utilities. There will always be an edge of the community no matter where you draw the line.

-- Posted by johnpaulcoleman on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 4:40 PM

Communitycentered, First of all you are not considering that the Mayors plan for annexation has a total cost of over 2 million dollars to add lots of those things you mentioned. Secondly you speak of those getting water, and gas like they are some kind of leach. Allow me to give you an example. Just east of the Golf course is the Linton water works. It is not in the city limits. To get the water to Linton you have to run a water line. This line runs past several houses that are not in the city limits. Since the line is close and it costs are less than the benefits, those houses are hooked up to "city" water. All of these people that you speak of with such ilk have passed the economic test. What this means is that before anyone out of the city limits has been offered water or gas, a cost benefit analysis was done. If it made sense for Linton Utilities dept. to run a line and hook up a block of houses it was done. This helps the city by making money off of these people. They do not get all of the benefits of living in the city otherwise this plan would not cost 2 million dollars to provide all of the benefits that are required by law to be given to all in the city limits.

-- Posted by johnpaulcoleman on Thu, Mar 11, 2010, at 7:52 AM

wait a minute, wait a minute....so the tax breaks and all the benefits that a business gets already isn't enough, that we should just "give" them a tax abatement to help lure them into the community? hummm....as if my tax dollars aren't enough, along with the amount of money i pay for my local utilities, then my taxes should go up so that the community could gain maybe 30 jobs? something just doesn't sound right about that!! i pay taxes, i use the local utilities, not provided, but paid for by the community...so why should we as citizens here be taxed higher so that a business may be taxed less? and the stimulus didn't work because it was an irrational decision made to try and save, once again, big businesses that aren't paying the taxes they should be anyway!! but let me guess, we needed those businesses so it was economically feasible to give them a tax break!! B.S.!! if they paid their taxes to the city then would that money not go back into the city? why should i pay more so they pay less? who already has more to pay...them or me? simple economics too i think! as a hard working individual, i am sick and tired of giving businesses a tax break so that my own taxes can be jacked!! make them pay their taxes and give me a tax break...i won't need your freakin stimulus money to pay my house payment and property taxes because i will have my own money then!! thanks, but you can keep your $600 or whatever sort of stimulus money you want to "provide" me and just let me have the money i WORKED for...because most of us still do that!! quit giving away free healthcare, stimulus money, and tax breaks to people who don't deserve it and start looking out for those of us that are footing the bill for this whole mess!! it makes no sense to throw money, more and more money, into a sinking ship hoping that one day it will float again....you're only adding weight to it...it's still sinking!! and by the way, if you really think most people saved their stimulus check...you must be part of the big business people who also got a nice bonus check last year while the rest of us were refinancing, working overtime, and selling whatever we could do without to buy Christmas presents for our family and pay our gigantic utility bills!! take off your beer goggles and look around, your view of this mess is really distorted....money has a tendency to do that to folks!!

-- Posted by iNdePEnDeNt...thought on Thu, Mar 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM

Does this mean the nerw annexies will have to sell their golf carts too?

-- Posted by LHS Dad on Mon, Mar 15, 2010, at 11:46 AM


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