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New coal mine moving forward; Greene County Council to consider tax abatement

Monday, November 30, 2009
A proposed underground coal mine in Wright Township received approval for a preliminary designation as an economic revitalization area from the Greene County Council Monday afternoon.

This is the first step for the Lily Group, Inc., of Sullivan, to obtain a requested seven-year tax abatement on equipment and property improvements.

A legal notice outlining the planned action to name the area an economic area will be published in the Greene County Daily World before Dec. 3.

The council will conduct a public hearing at its next meeting at 4 p.m. Monday, Dec. 14 to hear from supporters or remonstrators of the mine project that is expected to employ up to 100 people by May 2011.

Final action on the economic revitalization area and the tax abatement is expected at the Dec. 14 council meeting.

One of the stipulations that the council insisted on the developers including in their final revitalization area and abatement documents is at least 60 percent of the hired employees would be Greene County residents.

Council William "Butch" Brown said, "I'd like to see Greene County people working there."

When asked if the coal company would put that stipulation 'in writing" Lily Group Treasurer Cory Smith told the council, "We would have no problem at all making sure that verbiage is in there (the documents)."

The proposed mine is located at the northwest corner of the intersection of County Road 1500 West and County Road 700 North, southwest of Jasonville.

According to the terms of the Notice of Adoption of the Designated Economic Revitalization Area, the tax abatement shall be allowed to Lily Group only if it satisfies the condition that it employ at least 20 persons at the facility by May 1, 2010 and 100 persons at the facility by May 1, 2011.

Lily Group has already received approval from the Greene County Commissioners, who signed off on a federal grant application that will provide the coal company with a $1 million Disaster Recovery Grant to purchase mine equipment.

Smith said permits for the mine site are still pending with that Department of Natural Resources - Division of Mines officials, but he noted that the firm has been notified that the permits are "administratively complete."

Lily Group has an informal conference set for Jan. 5, 2010 with state officials to finalize the permit process, Smith noted.

Smith, who said no new information was requested, said once all of the engineer amendments are made, he expects the permit process to be wrapped up by mid-January.

Production at the mine is expected in the Spring 2010 and Smith pointed out that a recent study by an independent firm has shown coal reserves that will span a minimum of 20 years.

The firm has about 2,800 acres in its permit application -- including 1,400 that Lily owns the mineral right and another 1,400 that they have leased the mineral rights. The company owns about 20 actual acres where the mining operation will be based.

All of the acreage is located in Greene County, Smith said.

Wright Township Trustee Carolyn S. Hubbell attended Monday's meeting and had questions about the tax abatement and money that would be lost to her township, if the abatement was approved.

Smith reiterated the benefits by saying 60 percent of the 100-person workforce would be Greene County residents, who would have 'well-paying' jobs.

He also said the company plans to purchase more than $5 million in production equipment that would be subject to full taxation after the seven-year abatement period passes. During the abatement, the taxes paid would be graduated on an upward percentage scale over the seven years until a 100 percent level in 2017.

Smith also said the company at its own expense is increasing the electrical capacity in the area to accommodate the new equipment, which will have a benefit to the nearby town of Jasonville.

Smith pointed out that with the planned abatement, the company would have seven years to build the company and 13 years to pay full county taxes.

Council president John Wilkes noted that the county 'had been burned' on some previous tax abatements and he wanted to make sure the permitting process was in order.

"We do need the jobs and we want the jobs," he added.

Smith stressed that the county was at no liability on the project.

"There is no liability whatsoever for the county, he said.

County Council Attorney Marvin Abshire agreed and said the county is out nothing if the deal to start the mine falls through.

"If things fall apart before they get started, from the council's perspective you've gained nothing and you've lost nothing except for the time spent on this," Abshire said.


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Lily Group has already received approval from the Greene County Commissioners, who signed off on a federal grant application that will provide the coal company with a $1 million Disaster Recovery Grant to purchase mine equipment.

From the title of the grant, what was the disaster that needs funds for recovery?

-- Posted by L A on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 9:48 PM

Lily Group has already received approval from the Greene County Commissioners, who signed off on a federal grant application that will provide the coal company with a $1 million Disaster Recovery Grant to purchase mine equipment.

Loan is titled Disaster Recovery. What is the disaster a new company is recovering from?

-- Posted by L A on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 10:27 PM

there already is a railroad track & siding south of the proposed mine. Everyone who owns property in that area needs to double-check their titles & abstracts so nothing "shady" happens...

-- Posted by sullyst.gobain on Tue, Dec 1, 2009, at 4:41 AM

Have they bonded the roads yet?

I understand they have to wait for the permits to be finalized before they can start contruction. But how can they say anything about shipping coal by spring 2010 if they arent gonna be able to start construction until sometime mid-January?

I understand that this coal seam is pretty shallow at 120 feet, but with having to build a wash plant and still build the slope down to the seam, it seems a little far fetched to me. I have been in and around this business for years. This whole deal seems suspicious to me.

I hope they have done there homework about all the other old underground works from the past. There has been so many underground mines around here that havent been mapped out. Nobody knows where they all are. Farmersburg ran into some old underground works a few years ago at there strip mine that they didnt know was there. The old Hymera mine ran into some as well.

And the depth of this coal isnt a good thing. History tells us that shallow underground coal mines have "soft" ceilings. The shallower the coal the softer the rock in the mine roof is. And why go after a seam of coal with an underground mine that only averages 2 1/2ft-5ft thick? There is either gonna be alot of rock taken out with the coal, or there is gonna be alot of guys and gals with bad backs from havin to stoop over.

Will they conduct retreat mining? So many questions. So many without answers.

-- Posted by bulldog95 on Tue, Dec 1, 2009, at 3:41 PM

It's all well and good to have commitments written into any agreement, like defining a specific percentage of Greene County employees, or specific numbers to be employed by specified dates.

So let's say the council agrees to this, some people are hired, mining begins, and the company doesn't meet one or more of the commitments.

If the company doesn't meet the numerical commitments, either the percent of Greene County residents employed or the number of employees, what then? Would the council rescind the deal, threatening the viability of the new company, and suffer the complaints of those who did get to work there?

Remember this?

March 3, 1984:

United Airlines Inc. formally dedicated its $800 million aircraft maintenance center in Indianapolis yesterday. The center, which will employ 6,300 people when completed in 2004...

2003:

United abandoned its maintenance hubs in Oakland and Indianapolis, even though maintenance was less expensive in Indianapolis.

Hundreds of millions of tax abatements were given to United Airlines. They NEVER met any milestones. And, at the time, no one would have ever considered United would renege on its commitments.

We can't get forgiven taxes from a company after it fails, and would not likely get them back if the company missed its agreed-to employment commitments.

What then?

-- Posted by Forrest on Tue, Dec 1, 2009, at 7:45 PM

I always thought tax abatements programs were an incentive for business to locate to certain areas. In this case it appears to me that the coal would be the incentive and not the tax abatement.

I have not heard anyone say that without the abatement they will not proceed with mining project?

I am in total agreement that Greene County needs the employment but I'm concerned about the loss in tax revenues and cost for maintaining the county roads in that area while the mining is in progress.

Just my 2 cents!

-- Posted by #1LakerFan on Thu, Dec 3, 2009, at 1:38 PM

They are supposed to bond the roads and make repairs to as needed while they are bonded. They have to bond the roads to move equipment in and so that the truck shauling in supplies and the trucks hauling the coal out can drive on the roads.

-- Posted by bulldog95 on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 10:40 PM

Hey! Isn't anyone paying attention! We have already polluted this planet to the brink, the last thing we need is more coal mines and coal plants spewing more carbon dioxide and mercury into the air. Has anyone thought past the next ten minutes? We need to make plans to stop putting carbon dioxide in the air, not plan to put more up there. We are already at 387 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere- and we need to get down to 350. Burning coal is going in the wrong direction. How about the commissioners create some jobs by giving away a million $ for clean energy production or zero energy home building or something useful? Coal is a 19th century technology, lets get with the program or its going to take us that much longer to catch up! To the commissioners: In the future do you want people to look back on you and say "those short-sighted commissioners were responsible for making the climate disruption worse" or "those commissioners were the first to see the future of energy and started doing the tough work of encouraging clean energy and turning away from cheap but dirty coal"? Your choice. Do you really want to be remembered as someone who helped the big coal industry retard your children and grandchildren with mercury pollution?

-- Posted by Progressive Greene on Sat, Jan 2, 2010, at 2:19 PM


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