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'PACKING HEAT': Gun permits on the rise locally; online application makes the process easier

Thursday, November 26, 2009
There are a lot of Greene County folks "packing heat" legally and the number of handgun carry permits continues to increase.

Across the county, 894 concealed carry gun permits have been issued this year, compared with 694 in 2008 and 628 in 2007.

Statewide, it appears that the permitting process is easy and few applications are denied.

The Indianapolis Star reports that in 2008, the state police reviewed 77,429 gun permit applications and denied only 1.6 percent.

The Greene County Sheriff's Department has issued 685 permits in 2009 -- easily more than the 492 that were issued for the entire year of 2008 and 449 for 2007.

Permits can also be issued at the police departments in Jasonville, Worthington, and Bloomfield.

The Linton Police Department has issued another 100 permits in 2009 and logged 95 for the year 2008.

The process to apply for a permit has been made easier with an online permit form that Linton Police Chief Troy Jerrell wishes more people would use.

"We are still having people come on station for gun permits that have not signed up online prior to coming here to get their permits. We can help those who do not have Internet capability or no knowledge of how to operate a computer," Jerrell told the Greene County Daily World.

"It makes it quicker for them to do it online. It's a real quick and easy form and it only takes about 10 or 12 minutes to do, but it saves probably a half-hour of so for us to get all of their information and then transcribe it. If they can just go to that link, they can have it (the form) filled out. We can access it here at the police department, pull it up and do everything on our end and get them through the doors a lot quicker."

However, for those who do have access to or a knowledge of working with a computer they can go to www.lintonpolice.com to access the link to the Indiana State Police's Web site to access the correct form and submit it prior to coming to the Linton PD or going to the Greene County Sheriff's Department.

Jerrell reminded gun owners that safety is a always a key concern.

"With the influx of people that we have seen coming in to get gun permits in the last year or so, I would encourage them to take a firearms safety course if they haven't done so already or if they are not real familiar with the firearm. As it is, Indiana doesn't have a stipulation that you have to take a course. Also, take precautions and don't keep loaded guns around where someone could actually get hurt with them."

Jerrell said free gun locks are annually given away by his department in July and there is also a limited supply available at the police department.

Jerrell said there are a lot of reasons for the growing number of individuals who are getting permits to carry concealed weapons.

One reason is the state lifetime permit, which is a bargain and a real savings, he said.

"I don't see them (the state) offering that (lifetime) permit forever," Jerrell said.

"One common thing that I've heard is that people are afraid with legislation there is a chance they are going to do way with the legislation (that allows guns to be carried). They are trying go ahead and get their permit now in fear that something my change later on."

To obtain a permit:

* The applicant must be a resident of Indiana or a non-resident employed in the state.

* Fill out a one-page application with the police or sheriff's office and provide photo identification and have fingerprints taken.

* Pay the applicable fees. In addition to the permit fee -- and there are two types of permits, a four-year and a lifetime permit.

Applicants can expect to receive their permit in six to eight weeks.

Gunowners are reminded that a permit will not allow the carrying of a weapon on school property (public or private), the controlled areas of an airport, a riverboat casino, state fair or shipping port. A firearm can be carried when transporting someone to or from school or to a school function.

Types of Permits

4-year -- Hunt/Target, $5 State Fee/$10 Local Agency Fee

4-year -- Personal Protect, $30 State Fee/$10 Local Agency Fee

Dealer's Personal Protection Permit -- Fee Exempt

Life Hunt/Target with no current license -- $25 State/$50 Local Fee

Life Hunt/Target w/ Current Lic $20 State/$40 Local Fee

Life Personal Protect no current license $75 State/$50 Local

Life Personal Protect with current license $60 State/$40 Local

Retired Corrections Officer -- Fee Exempt

Retired Police Officer -- Fee Exempt


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That's scary.

-- Posted by sarah m on Thu, Nov 26, 2009, at 6:21 PM

What is the difference between local and State license??

-- Posted by Scorpio1969 on Thu, Nov 26, 2009, at 7:42 PM

Scary? It's just people exercising their 2nd amendment rights, Sarah.

I guess in liberal la-la land, that's a scary thing.

-- Posted by PinkMarie on Thu, Nov 26, 2009, at 7:55 PM

Scorpio.. Some municipalities such as Gary, Indiana have a different licensing requirement for carrying a concealed handgun. 99% of the time your state permit will cover you but if you break the law by pointing or threatening another person with your handgun local authorities can charge you with local, state, and federal violations.

Legally carrying a concealed weapon is a much larger personal responsibility than only applying for a concealed carry permit. You must know not only state but local and federal laws that apply to this privilege. It is not a privilege to be taken lightly.

-- Posted by L A on Thu, Nov 26, 2009, at 8:22 PM

I enjoy my Lifetime permit also. Just thinking, that I may stop some idiot from hurting others is my reason enough.

-- Posted by gary g on Thu, Nov 26, 2009, at 9:09 PM

Only law-abiding citizens follow 'the rules'. Criminals will carry whether they have a permit or not.

-- Posted by The Raven on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 8:00 AM

As you can see the wording of the article has scared some people, "Packing Heat" ? was this intentionally put in the article to stir things up? Responsible law abiding citizens apply for carry permits, criminals don't, they carry guns anyway,that's part of being a criminal, they don't obey the laws.Citizens have a right to protect themselves and their families and an obligation to do so in a safe and responsible manner, IE a gun safty course if neccessary, the news outlets have a responsibility to report the news without putting a biased spin on it which I think this article does.

-- Posted by MGMader on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 8:17 AM

I wish, MGMader, that the spin would stop here. Thanks for bringing the obvious to light.

-- Posted by Mr. F on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 9:25 AM

Jimmy42 - Yes it is a double edged sword. But is also a 2nd Amendment right. Its kinda like drivers licenses, nearly everyone can get one but that does not make them a responsible or safe driver. And driving is only a licensed privelege and not a constitutional right.

-- Posted by greenetucky on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 10:09 AM

I am thinking about getting a permit myself. I was raised with a respect for firearms. After my home was broken into and seeing the guy(who is on probation and not supposed to have one in his possession) who broke in walking around shirtless with a 9mm tucked in the back of his pants, I am considering getting a firearm and attending a firearms safety class. Maybe if I didn't have to replace the backdoor to my home after it was busted by the jerk, I could afford a gun! So for now, I just hope that his gun discharges while he has it tucked in his pants! LOL

-- Posted by lakermom on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 11:10 AM

hmmmm....my last post was either deleted or it isn't showing up on my pc (which has happened before)...i wonder which is the case? it wasn't "mean"...

-- Posted by lakermom on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 12:01 PM

Thanks for the info L.A. I didn't want to sound stupid but I was just wondering. Thanks again!

-- Posted by Scorpio1969 on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 12:44 PM

The permit has nothing whatsoever to do with buying guns. People should inform themselves about things before commenting. A permit allows you to have a handgun in your posession outside your home.

-- Posted by JW on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 1:22 PM

lakermom, after reading your first post I hope you don't buy a firearm. You sound like an angry person out for revenge, not a responsible citizen wanting to defend themselves.

-- Posted by L A on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 1:41 PM

L A...

Not wanting revenge...wanting protection...

He attempted to break in a second time as well. For now I have ball bats & mace. It is a horrible feeling not being able to sleep because you are afraid in your own home.

I don't want revenge; I am just hoping for karma to kick in!

-- Posted by lakermom on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 8:14 PM

Lol. I'm not anti-gun nor do I underappreciate the second amendment. I'm just a bit uncomfortable with the idea of greene county folks toting firearms everywhere.

-- Posted by sarah m on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 9:18 PM

Why? What's wrong with Greene County folks?

-- Posted by PinkMarie on Fri, Nov 27, 2009, at 9:33 PM

having a license to carry a gun doesn't mean this is the wild west and everyone is always carrying a gun. it's also not like these people couldn't have had a permit years ago. nothing new going on as far as i know.

-- Posted by corbinsa on Sat, Nov 28, 2009, at 10:42 AM

sarah m,

How many times a week do you pass by somebody that is carrying?

Don't know? That's the way it's supposed to be.

I don't know why you would be uncomfortable around me when I'm carrying. I am the same person when I'm armed as when I'm not.

Let me rephrase that last statement, I'm NOT the same....when I'm armed I'm even MORE polite than when I'm not

-- Posted by hunter_47443 on Sat, Nov 28, 2009, at 6:59 PM

RAVEN you have just stated something that is not supported by any facts or study. This is a common misconception. Guns are illegal in many countries and most have lower gun violence than countries where they are legal.

-- Posted by chevygleen on Sun, Nov 29, 2009, at 8:55 AM

Chevygleen: you have just stated something that is out of context. and give a misconception. if guns are illegal in these countries. then I would assume from your statement, there would be NO GUN VIOLENCE period. BUT that is not the case they still have gun violence. because the criminal element is going to break any laws necessary to achieve their goal. But if they know there is a possibility that their intended victum has a means of protection he will pass that person over. the criminal does not want to stand on even turf. they want the upper hand.

-- Posted by Busseron on Sun, Nov 29, 2009, at 8:08 PM

BUSSERON Again this is the misconception. Nine children are killed everyday by a gun discharging, Maybe we should give them guns to fight back, would be your logic.

-- Posted by chevygleen on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 8:06 AM

Chevygleen - Cite your source. The top result on google is included below. Note that a full 1/3 are suicides (which would almost certainly happen with or without a gun). Only 214 deaths were due to 'unintentional' discharge. There is a big difference between 9 per day and 1 every two days.

There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics.

"Children Killed by Guns

Children Killed by Guns: In 1999, there were 3,385 firearms-related deaths for children ages 0--19 years. They break down as follows: 214 unintentional, 1,078 suicides, 1,990 homicides, 83 for which the intent could not be determined, and 20 due to legal intervention. Source: 2002 edition of Injury Facts. "

-- Posted by For Liberty on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 9:25 AM

"the news outlets have a responsibility to report the news without putting a biased spin on it which I think this article does."

Reporting without bias is impossible. If you or I were reporting, we would simply replace someone else's bias with our own.

I personally think that the editor knew what he was doing when he chose to allow the term 'Packing Heat' to be used, as it is an obviously loaded term.

However, that is the beauty of the Constitution, it allows people to say what they mean and not worry about what others may say or do to them.

-- Posted by For Liberty on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 9:53 AM

http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topic...

-- Posted by chevygleen on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 1:01 PM

My Logic would be that the people who have guns around their home, should teach ALL family members the basics of the firearm, how to properly use it and to be responsible for it's cleaning and storage after they have used it. I started my son out with my old 45 when he was going on 4 years of age. that was about 26 years ago, he has not shot himself or anyone else. neither have I. but I have held criminals while the police were called to the scene. they thanked me for my efforts. that's what I call looking out for my neighbors.

-- Posted by Busseron on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 2:04 PM

The Obama administration finally stimulated something without any cost to the tax payers.

-- Posted by notgreenenative on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 6:49 PM

I'm not seeing where you all are getting the idea that this article is bias. I thought it was very informative. It even provided the link to access the correct form to make things go smoother and quicker for an individual. The writer did what any good writer would do when he gave it a title that drew you to the article. How many people would have passed right over the story if it had a boring headline.

-- Posted by notgreenenative on Mon, Nov 30, 2009, at 7:14 PM

If we want to get into statistics....May I suggest taking a look at http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/dhmo.htm

If you read the article you will want to protect yourself from Dihydrogen Monoxide exposure. Looking at the STATISTICS it should be banned as well....BUT think back to chemistry class....Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O)

My whole point here is statistics can be used for or against anything and everything.

-- Posted by firefighteremt on Tue, Dec 1, 2009, at 1:22 PM

I agree about statistics. I think meth is good for you. Just because all the stats say different, you can't trust them because sometimes some use stats incorrectly. Great point!

-- Posted by chevygleen on Tue, Dec 1, 2009, at 5:13 PM


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