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Whoa, What Are We doing Here?
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I went to dinner tonight and participated in some terribly interesting conversation. I'm not the kind of person who initiates this kind of verbal confrontation, but if it gets started, I will occasionally respond with a few pieces of my mind. When people talk about our elections, they really need to understand what is going on in other parts of the world, not just in the good old US of A. The Indiana Presidential primary became a hot subject tonight very quickly and I can tell you this from my personal opinion, I'm not impressed with any of our remaining hopefuls. Choose who you want, you will anyway, regardless of anything that I could do or say. Just keep in mind, your military is what keeps you safe from harm. How do you and I best protect a military establishment, designed to keep us from harm, from becoming severely depleted while trying to win a non-winnable* civil war? We tried something like this back in the 1960's and 70's, for those of us who are old enough to remember, but someone stumbled on the neat idea back then, that after 58,000+ US servicemen's deaths, that it was enough, and we should get out of there and call it quits. *Maybe non-winnable is an incorrect term, should I elaborate or do you understand? I could offer some explanations of "jihad", if you need this for additional information. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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"Falling in love is like war, easy to get into but hard to end" (H.L. Mencken)
I loved your other stories so much Simmons I hate it that this subject came about. Civil wars are winnable, "jihad" or "holy wars" have not been proven to be winnable. There could always be the first. We, or all infidels, which "jihad" is meant to be at war with forever, is another matter. I believe if they, the believers who practice jihad, and many do, after all it is a tenet of a faith, equal to prayer, ever arrive with one living leader will be a most formidable foe, but they have yet to follow one living leader. This was sufficient for a time, for our security. Our advantage is the big bomb, an advantage I believe to be one that we cannot allow to be compromised. We have proven we will use this advantage. Everyone knowing we will use our advantage has so far given us what security we have had from "jihad". But technology is proving to be a difficult thing to harness, however essential in order to maintain our security. In the 60,s and or in the 70,s and today, not using the advantage we have had, has cost us most dearly, and leaves one to feel as though the 58,000+ and the 4,000+ and counting, as something akin to sacrifice,absolutely unbearable. The page must be turned, even if it is turned back.
This is a touchy subject for conversation, even more so for a blog, yet the path to enlightenment is often through such discourse.
It seems to me there are well informed folks on both sides of this grave issue. We are a country divided, that's a fact. I have never been called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice to fight in a war, so with respect and reverence to those who have, I will attempt to understand what is at stake here, and then ask myself at the end of this long presidential campaign- Who do I believe will be the best bet for leading us as a nation out of this mess?
And Keith, if anyone ever verbally confronts you again about election results (or anything else that makes you uncomfortable) while I'm around, give me a signal and I will step into the conversation to steer it into a more dinner friendly direction~
If you want to enjoy your dinner, never talk of politics. Or religion. It never ends well. Opinions are like a#$holes.
Sad thing about our elections is 50% of the electorate never vote.
I have more respect for a person who is passionately opposite my political leaning and votes accordingly, than I do a person who believes more like I do, yet never participates in the voting process.
But let me tell you, the highlight of last night for me was the passionate rendition of "Where are you tonight?" sung by ol' Simmons, Wiggs, Tim C., and myself-and judging by the applause, this is not a biased opinion.
V is for lovers, once again has the better grasp of a situation. Face the facts, read the writing on the wall, do not step on that snake, and on and on. I do appreciate common sense. I did hear once that because of her statement that that is why they make so many kinds of toilet paper.
No doubt I would love a recording of that quartet. I have an mp3 player and I would like to be able to hear that group everyday. I dug out an old song book and read the lyrics to "Where Have All The Flowers Gone." OH, hopeanddust your views and the offer to Simmons are both top notch. I just hope that all this stuff (not really the word I am thinking) that is glamorized so much on tv never gets to the point that the people in a wonderful little town lose respect for one another. I don't want a tv station to win the war of division, just to sell cars, and pills, and insurance and etc. Please watch baseball live, and argue about that call by an umpire, and take a good laugh when you pull that golf ball again like you have for years. Enjoy it while it lasts and every once in a while listen to the Stones sing "Gimme Shelter."
I lost respect for Randy Newman for some of his comments on Public Radio, but "Political Science" seems relevant now.
I too feel sad that 50% didnt vote.
You know if your passionate about this subject like most people I know and dont vote then technically your a lier.
What I would really like to see is a Knowledge test before you vote--or hold office. Just watch "Jay Walking " with Jay Lenno and you know why..
oh I did I hear the rumor that that "group" was going to sign a recording deal and start touring this summer--- touring the 19th holes where ever they can!
The conversation last night was fantastic, as was the spaghetti carbonara. I've never had that dish before, but once again, Mark and the Pepperoni Grill staff provided the ingredients for a wonderful evening.
I'm not sure anyone noticed but I sang the Roy Clark part of Where Oh Where Are You Tonight. I'm pretty sure that was the primary cause for the thunderous applause from the enlightened and surprised late evening diners.
PFFT You Were Gone
by Buck Owens
album: Too Old to Cut the Mustard (w.Buddy Alan] (1972)
Archie Campbell/Buck Owens/Hee Haw
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You took off your leg, your wig and your eye glasses
And you shoud've seen the look on my face
I wanted to kiss, I wanted to hug you
But you were scattered all over the place
Where, where, are you tonight?
Why did you leave me here all alone?
I searched the world over,
And thought I found true love.
You met another and
Phht! you were gone.
Hee Haw salutes my home town, Jasonville, Indiana, population 2,490. SAL-UTE!
B ball fan was the only one to go after this one? Come on guys..
They're burying another kid today about 15 miles south of here, that was killed last week. The Indiana and Ohio Brigades are deployed now. I'm close with a kid that got into Baghdad right after Thanksgiving and he is doing a 16 month tour as an Infantryman with the 4th Brigade, 10th Mountain. He tells me that they're going to Afghanistan after they get back. He tells me that the non combatants need help, but that this is never ending.
Our local Army Aviation unit is tagged and packing all their gear now. A pilot I know says it's a cluster; they don't know where they're going or who they're replacing. They're taking their own Blackhawks as well. There's a shipping charge you don't want to pay..
Across the street lives Dwayne, when he's not deployed. He's a policeman, but also the 1st Sgt. of a Reserve Airboune Psychological Ops. Company. He had a trip to Bosnia recently, and they've been getting ready since last summer for a soon to be announced foray into Iraq.
Schwarzkopfs book made more than a few references as to what could have happened, why the leadership didn't want to go to Badhdad during the first war. Civilians in charge of this war at the time that it started were aware of what could go wrong, and they obviously made the wrong choice. Most all of them aren't around now..
The surge looked good, but they continue to let al-Sadr live, and I have seen over the last 3 months that it's not working and surely isn't sustainable. And while our army of annihilation tries to do social work they get sniped by rifle, rocket, and mortars.
I'd like to see a drive back down to Kuwait. Bring all of our equipment out because we can't afford to just leave it there this time. Get everybody and everything we have home, and then rebuild and wait. Because there may be a bigger fight out there in the near future.
Voting is very much on my mind. I thought the original Three Stooges were much more funny than this current trio. And what I'm really afraid of is that one of them is going to really cut the military, and then tax me at about 39%, and then give it to people overseas. I like my church, and all of my guns.
Speaking to Congress 57 years ago about McArthur's request to extend the Korean War into China, General Bradley stated, "Frankly, in the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, this strategy would involve us in the wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy."
No one knows what he would have said about our current situation, but I believe that the statement is appropriate for where we are today.
Our miltary leadership understands the consequence of this type of protracted warfare. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/washington/06mil...
What we are seeing in these short term gains as a result of this surge, is exactly what the Muslim world wants to see and that is the creation of a long term crisis for all of the American military. The war is sapping the strength and quality of our military.
[The Army and the rest of the service chiefs have endorsed General Petraeus's recommendations for continued high troop levels in Iraq. But Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, and their top deputies also have warned that the war in Iraq should not be permitted to inflict an unacceptable toll on the military as a whole. "Our readiness is being consumed as fast as we build it," Gen. Richard A. Cody, the Army vice chief of staff, said in stark comments delivered to Congress last week. "Lengthy and repeated deployments with insufficient recovery time have placed incredible stress on our soldiers and our families, testing the resolve of our all-volunteer force like never before."]
The above was copy/pasted from that link you gave us.
And given your resume, and that I've had the priviledge to converse with you in person, thus giving me a sense of who you are as a man, your opinion on this situation carries a lot of weight, and I assure you, I am listening real hard here.
So then,
If I'm not missing something, this article seems to suggest there are divisions, or grave concerns, within our top military leadership about our military health as a whole, yet the concensus is General Petraeus's lead is in the right direction for the moment.
Now I have no delusions that my reasoning power is flawless, indeed, I am just alert enough to know how little I do know and how much I miss, yet this very article from the New York Times suggests to this simple hick, that of the Three Stooges we have to choose from, one in particular far out credentials the other two-is it Moe? Or Larry? Or Curly?
Now we have to accept that all 3 want to end this conflict and bring everyone home, the question is how? and when?
I wrote a song once, the Hangman's Blues. The haunting doubt of the executioner that maybe this one was innocent...the timeless challenge of decision making.
May God help us all.
Damn that snake-I step on it every time.
It would be great if we could solve even one of our nation's problems by just talking about it in this blog. I don't know if I'm pessimistic or realistic, but the future doesn't look as bright as it once did.
Oh, for the good old days when all we had to worry about were the Ruskies coming thru the Fulda Gap and Mutual Assured Destruction was our answer.
How about we put all the unemployed folks to work building a Great Wall of the United States between us and the Canucks and Mexicanos. Pull our military out of Iraq and Afghanistan and have them man the wall. Then we round up all the illegals and environmental wackos and give them a one-way, all expense paid trip to the other side of the Wall.
Then those that are left can start drilling for more oil, building more windmills and solar panels and hydro-electric dams and nuclear energy plants and get us free of dependency on foreign oil.
Stop all foreign aid and UN subsidies and use that money to pay down our debt, get our economy & our dollar on solid footing.
Then eliminate taxes on school teachers and provide them with free golf club memberships, car allowance and expense accounts.
That should just about fix things.
Thanks C&J'sDad-I needed that one!
That's it-I've used up my two cents.
I'm heading out to the 40. There's a war going on between me and some alien species of itchweed. So far, Hadrian's wall isn't working. Time to pop open an Oberon and regroup.
"We lost Davy in the Korean War/ and I still don't know what for/ doesn't matter anymore." John Prine
It was sworn to me that this blog would not become political and look what has happened. It makes me sick.
Dave Barry has a new blog, I am sure it is made for me.
Your taxes are going to go up. How damned old are you, 300. The most lame and mundane argument there is. Where does the money go, or what do you get for it now. Blackwater Inc. gets a ton, the troops get little, poor people get little and little is enough to be poor. But Blackwater guards rich people. Read a book, well at least a magazine. Give a test for net worth before office, too much you are out. Athens, Greece had ostracism in 600 BCE, and look how the little rich kid who never earned a penny in his life ran a wonderful little town in 2007 CE. The sun still comes up in the east.
If some one is not impressed with the three that are running now, show your colors and tell us all how impressed you are with what is there now.Speculation is easy, sometimes the truth is not. Or the last several over privileged a---holes who only want to be on tv or have their triumph. You cannot convince me that any of them could read, one cannot talk. The last warrior we had was Patton, not Patreus,I really do not care if I spelled his name correctly, and Patton was fired. In fact he was fired just as my adopted brother was into China after being sent to Korea. Then the a--hole idiots moved him back to what he called the from lines to take a hill, which they kept for three days and then the Red Chinese, he called them, took back for three days and then Bert and his outfit took it back for three days and this went on for two years, and no on knows how many deaths. Some people really know how to run a war. He was never the same, how could he have been the same.And he could not join the VFW when he got home, who in the hell would want to now, only some a--hole who was not involved. Well it was not a real war, it was a police action. There is no VFPA club to join. Same with Viet Nam so enjoy your cheap beers. I hope they are pissed in.
Since WWII we have not had a military that could run a lemonade stand.I,m still not sure it wasn't Montgomery who was running that show. I already said what I thought about Truman, he could make a decision at least, look at what has gone by since. I hate all these phony wars that kill mostly poor people, and I can hate those who try to claim that is not the case because it is true. If we blew the people or the country that sent them to knock down those buildings in NY like the brilliant W. said, no one in the world would have voted nay. But we did not blow any one to hell except more and more young innocent kids, and a county with no military, but many oil wells. Well if you can not find any oil in Texas look in Iraq. Simmons knows how much oil was in Texas and W. could not find oil in Texas. How can we look at ourself in the mirror. Viet Nam, Korea, Grenada, how can you not be sick.
Personally I am glad we are the Romans, look at how they treated Spain in the Republican Era, 500 BCE. They used it like a KFC franchise to kill a few thousand and then build a hunting lodge and name it after themselves, or a road, and then hurry home and have their triumph. They only had one year to have their triumph. Now they have four, and they call themselves conservative, slow to change I believe it means. Same thing in Korea, and Viet Nam and Grenada,oh,Operation Urgent Fury it was called. Medals of honor my a--.
For sure none of these countries are having an immigration problem, no fences to keep people out. What a dumb idea from a stupid leader.And he waves the bible and tries and does divide people into liberal or conservative, just words to him, he can not read or speak or think. Most people I know which is few I guess are both, I am believe I am conservative about education, I know I am liberal about personal liberty. History is important damn it; Livy said;
"The study of history is the best medicine for a sick mind; for in history you have a record of the infinite variety of human experience plainly set out for all to see; and in that record you can find for yourself and your country both examples and warnings; fine things to take as models, base things, rotten through and through, to avoid."
- Livy (ca. 59 B.C. - A.D. 17), Ab Urbe Condita (From the Foundation of the City of Rome) 1.1
If what we have now has, or even can read what I just quoted, I will do what I told Clint and Rambler, I would do, on the courthouse steps at high-noon of the Apple Festival.
How can someone not make an impression on you, after the last seven years?
Now just to show that a dipsh-- like me can admit a mistake I was mistaken about Patton being the one fired in Korea, it was MacArthur, another warrior who could read, at least the writing on the wall.
Wooowee-I'm getting out the hotdogs and marshmellows 'cause this blogs on fire~
Speakin' of John Prine, I just caught him on a 2005 Austin City Limits episode coverin' Blaze Foley's "Clay Pigeons"-amazing performance of a great song. It's on Youtube, so check it out.
I've heard it said its best to keep our mouth shut and let people think your stupid other than open your mouth and let them KNOW you are!
I think that applies in the military sense as well --- it being best to let people actually THINK your strong and not PROVE you are not!
Ask the French about 1940, Iraq about 1991 and others.. just a point.
SO I hope to hear the sound sounds comeing from that quartet some time
Another great blog entry.
"Bring the boys back home.
Don't leave the children on their own." - R. Waters
Blaze Foley's "Clay Pigeons"
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I'm goin' down to the Greyhound Station, gonna get a ticket to ride
Gonna find that lady with two or three kids and sit down by her side
Ride 'til the sun comes up and down around me 'bout two or three times
Smokin' cigarettes in the last seat
Tryin' to hide my sorrow from the people I meet
And get along with it all
Go down where the people say "y'all"
Feed the pigeons some clay
Turn the night into day
Start talkin' again
When I know what to say
All you guys are great, I love y'all and I could never take any of you for granted. I appreciate the well written and intended views and the passion that lies under them. My comrades really believed that all these hateful events were going to go the way of the horse and buggy, and we stand corrected and disappointed, we stand in a pool of tears. Many brilliant men have stated it was better to not prove all how ignorant we are, but fools like me could never learn, how can one expect a fool to learn, that is why we are fools. Fools bleed and perhaps that is the common denominator. John Prine also said he could never speak again and all he would have to lose is his vanity. Smart guy John Prine. Many days I wish I could update, like my puter sometimes says to me that there is an update and the next time it wakes up it will be installed, wish I were a puter. So;
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Bob Dylan
I am completely finished with this topic. I look forward to reading more about Simmons Grandson and his field goals.
And from the bottom of my heart;
Happy Mother's Day, on the 100th anniversary of the Holiday.