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Posted Sunday, January 6, 2008, at 10:37 PM
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It's good to be back after the vacation, I hope everyone had a happy holiday (I want to be politically correct in case Keith Sims is reading). Congratulations to the Shakamak Lakers on winning the Greene County Tournament. Billy Newton was a very good choice for most valuable player and showed a lot of class including his team mate Ethan Stanifer as co-MVP. Isn't it amazing that 16 year olds sometimes have more maturity than adults?

Some of the things that seemed to amaze me from the tournament:

I just don't see the purpose for some coaches yelling at players on the bench for mistakes players on the floor have made, while saying little or nothing to those in the game. I guess if you play bad enough, you can eventually find yourself getting yelled at on bench -- but for the mistakes of others, not your own.

I have trouble understanding why Gary Wier was officiating the Shakamak -- Clay City game. Let me make it clear that Gary was one of the better officials of the tournament, but I just don't think that a school's second all time leading scorer should call one of its games. His wife's from Clay City, there's no way Gary could win. There were 8 games in the tournament; they could surely have put him on another game.

It will also be interesting to know what each school's share of the tournament is, compared to the $900.00 per game of the Pizza Hut Classic.

Don't you find it amazing that our local radio station couldn't cover the championship game of the tournament? Something is wrong. I don't think if you're an advertiser buying air time you could be happy.

In case you're a baseball fan and watched the 60 minutes segment where Roger Clemens was asked about his steroid use, you have to make a decision as to believe or not to believe. Right now, I believe, but then again, there was a time in my life when I also believed in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

One of our colleagues at the Daily World is taking a new job in Illinois. Good luck to Paul Wilcoxen in his new endeavors. Travis David will be taking his place.

Quote of the week: "The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely the one who dropped it." - Lou Holtz.


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I don't even know what being politically correct means Joe. I don't know what to believe about Clemens, but he is presumably innocent until proven guilty. It is strange that a person would have to work so hard to prove his innocence, when he has yet to be proven guilty.

By the way, referees aren't supposed to win.

-- Posted by simmons on Mon, Jan 7, 2008, at 4:01 AM

I would prefer to have one Gary Weir as opposed to the 3 clowns who ref'd the North Central-Bloomfield girls game last week. Wow, they were terrible...both ways!

-- Posted by Mike47424 on Mon, Jan 7, 2008, at 4:30 AM

Well, I am going to agree here.

Especially with the "yelling at the players on the bench" I do not get that at all. Then the players on the floor get NOTHING said to them. Then again, I am not the coach.

Kudos to Billy for sharing the MVP too.

I can't believe Paul is leaving. He is a great story writer. I know a lot of kids are going to miss him. I see a lot of them chatting with him during baseball season. I am sure he will be missed by a lot, but I wish him the best in his new job. BEST OF LUCK PAUL!

Thanks for this article Joe, maybe it will wake SOME coaches up!

-- Posted by LakerFan on Mon, Jan 7, 2008, at 8:53 AM

I am really proud of Billy.

I want to thank Gary --- for not getting to my fly ball last fall in the softball tourney.... and for beeing an OK ref (very few get my seal of approval lol )

And I cant really believe some of the "acusers" of some of the ball players. I look at some of them as just wanting thier own momnent in the sun!

oh and I suspect Rodger might have used some once or twice... maybe not often.

-- Posted by silerCityDude on Mon, Jan 7, 2008, at 10:12 PM

As far as yelling at kids is concerned, I don't think that any mature adult offers one iota of motivation or inspiration by constantly yelling at kids. No matter how old or how skilled the kids are, they are going to make mistakes. Discipline is a key factor to success, but discipline can be gained without screaming and yelling. It may be necessary to raise your voice to grab a player's attention, but once you have their attention it is not necessary to continually scream and deride a player for poor performance. This type of attitude and behavior tends to create a tentative attitude within the player, who then becomes afraid to make mistakes. It isn't necessary to be popular with your players, but it is essential to have their respect.

Too many coaches lose their teaching capabilities by being caught up in the emotion of the game. Teaching the fundamentals and reinforcing these concepts with positive constructive criticism in a calm and consistent manner provides a much more conducive atmosphere for learning. That is the primary job that coaches have, although many appear to not fully comprehend this, they are supposed to teach.

I often play golf with young men who were good ball players around this area and I ask them what they thought of their coach. I've found that it is a lot better to ask these questions several years removed from their playing era to get a less emotional response. There are exceptions, but a lot of coaches and former coaches would be surprised by the paucity of good reviews.

"A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment." John Wooden

-- Posted by simmons on Tue, Jan 8, 2008, at 1:14 AM

Excellent Simms, just flat out right on!

-- Posted by cletus on Tue, Jan 8, 2008, at 5:51 AM

I believe the yelling at the kids on the benches while saying nothing to the players on the floor really shows you what kind of coaches we have in this area.

-- Posted by whoareyoufor? on Tue, Jan 8, 2008, at 11:48 AM

I am shocked there have been no Bobby Knight quotes on the subject of yelling at kids. People have made careers by learning to yell at kids the way Bobby Knight taught them. He wrote the book, tear them down and build them back as you like them. His teams won the NCAA in basketball, more than one time. He was a teacher, yelling is teaching, always teaching, even when the kid was not playing at the time.

Who is John Wooden? What has he done for coaching or basketball? Did he coach back in the old days when you could not dunk, or play freshmen. Who did he coach that became anything remarkable?

What, you mean Buckner or Alford, or Isiah can not play this year.

"All blame is a waste of time. No matter how much fault you find with another, and regardless of how much you blame him, it will not change you. The only thing blame does is to keep the focus off you when you are looking for external reasons to explain your unhappiness or frustration. You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming him, but you won't succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy." Casey Stengel

-- Posted by B ball fan on Thu, Jan 10, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Coach Knight may be gunning for No. 900 but he's still 7 Championships behind Coach Wooden. From 1967 through 1973 his UCLA team was 205-5 and won 7 straight Championships. He had 4 teams in his coaching career with undefeated records. Plus, he did it all with class and with all those unknowns, like Hazzard, Goodrich, Alcindor, Wicks, Walton,...etc.

"What you are as a person is far more important that what you are as a basketball player." Coach Wooden

-- Posted by simmons on Thu, Jan 10, 2008, at 7:25 PM

Yes John Wooden IS a class act. I sure wish he'da stayed at ole' ISU but then again He wouldn't have been the Legend that He IS.

-- Posted by silerCityDude on Thu, Jan 10, 2008, at 9:54 PM

It is a fact that there has not been a coach in my lifetime that even compares with Wooden. He has always been my favorite or the man who coached Princeton for years and ran the weave and had a point center to work around. But as for Wooden, just listen to any of the players who played for him and they rarely mention the wins, they just praise the coach. It is a testament to coaching the way the players speak of Wooden. A gentleman of the highest order. To me the greatest basketball coach ever, and he really was a teacher and still teaches. He was an English teacher and Kareen was an English major, and appears to adore the man. The other players Simmons mentioned are all upright people. Something happened to the players of today, they just do not measure up to the players that Wooden had and he was the reason they were there. I even liked Swen Nater and he played forever for the Athletes in Action after backing up Kareem for three years and getting to play few minutes. John Wooden is an inspiration to me and I am sure many others.

Now I did not know that Stengel was a dentist before he was a baseball coach. What a story and a man. He was different than Wooden in ways but they were alike in the way they handled winning. And they won often. The coaches that yell at players on the bench reminds me of Stengel when he was with the Mets and said, "sometimes you look down the bench and have to ask yourself, does anybody here know how to play this game." He handled it well with the Mets and one has to know he did not like losing, but rather than go crazy, he was humble. Those are my three favorite coaches, along with Joe, but I must admit I am biased, about Joe. Joe to me was able to win with the Mets. He was great at using his players to their strengths, a valuable quality for a high school coach. Thanks for allowing me to ask about Wooden, he was a giant of a coach. And I believe he ended up with about ten championships, maybe a couple more. I have never been able to listen to people say he had an advantage by having the players he had, he is the one who got them to go to UCLA. I sure don't recall any violations of rules or conduct. What a man. Simmons quote from Wooden is worth remembering every time you think of coaching basketball. Thanks Simmons.

-- Posted by B ball fan on Fri, Jan 11, 2008, at 3:37 PM

If you haven't done it, you should read Casey's testimony to Congress from back in 1958 concerning antitrust laws. They called it Stengelese and he could ramble on forever and say nothing. The sound bite of the end of the testimony and Mickey's response are on the History Channel website. Pretty good stuff.

If you want to read the complete version, I've got an e-copy.

-- Posted by simmons on Sat, Jan 12, 2008, at 5:57 PM

Here we have mentioned good coaches, and maybe a young one that needs to learn some. However: tonight I saw a more experianced coach at a game -- and it appalled me --- HE WAS TEXTING! yes TEXTING while his boys were shooting freethrows.. oh he was blowing out his opponent.

NOW I am not judging MAYBE he was expecting some IMPORTANT MESSAGE?? but I would figure if that were the case you would have someone come to you and give you the message-- and take another back. BUT to actually take time to text --- ITS A NEW WORLD ORDER IGUESS!

-- Posted by silerCityDude on Sat, Jan 12, 2008, at 9:33 PM

When I began to want to learn about Casey was after talking with my brother about wanting to go to Cooperstown, and picket outside for Maris . Then I decided I would go in and look for myself to see if he was ignored. And I love Babe Ruth. Thanks simmons, I would like to read more about my favorite baseball coach and one of those people I would have like to have met. List of things I want to do, heavy, too heavy right now.

-- Posted by B ball fan on Sun, Jan 13, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Back to back MVPs were not enough for Maris or Dale Murphy. Just not enough great seasons for either. Roger only played 12 years in the Majors and never hit .300 in a single season.

Casey was a great manager, but he really wasn't liked by the majority of his ballplayers. The 1960 season was his all time low. As much as I liked Casey, when you read about how he pinch hit for Clete Boyer in the first inning of a World Series game in 1960, didn't start Whitey Ford until the third game of the Series and let Ralph (Gopher Ball) Terry pitch to Bill Mazeroski, you knew he had lost it. His team outscored the Pirates 55-27 and he lost the World Series. But he was 70 years old at the time and a little past his prime.

-- Posted by simmons on Sun, Jan 13, 2008, at 7:24 PM

Dangerous ground second guessing a coach, especially when one wasn't it the clubhouse. It is a career not a series or a game. Why did they play Manning in the first quarter of the San Diego game. When you win, your decisions come from genius, when you lose your decisions were absent minded. How do you call for a steal to home, it will not work one out of fifty times. My favorite college profs were only my favorites at the end of the semester, the rest of the time they rode me hard and I did not like them, then something happened, I had actually learned something.

Why did Pete Gill have Joe Hart shoot those free throws against Vincennes.

-- Posted by B ball fan on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 9:17 AM


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