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Grandpa Pruett was right, religion and politics don't mix
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I can remember my Grandpa Pruett telling me many years ago that you'll never win a discussion/argument that has to do with religion or politics.
Mix them together, and it's a no-win situation.
With the presidential primary season just weeks away, and Christmas nearly here, what better time to mix religion and politics.
It's a volatile topic, and appears to be coming to a head on the Republican side.
Former New York Gov. Rudy Giuliani's personal life is being questioned by his challengers and the Democrats, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is a former Baptist minister.
Huckabee, also a Republican, has been under fire lately for a TV commercial showing what some believe is a cross in the background. Huckabee says it's a bookshelf, and if you watch the commercial, you'd probably agree with him. It's a shame some will go to any lengths to be negative.
Another Republican candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, has been questioned for months concerning his beliefs as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
On the Democrat side, Sen. Barack Obama's religion was in the news because of his name. Some believe his name implies he's of the Muslim faith.
Sorry folks, he was born in Honolulu, and is a member of the United Church of Christ (according to his Web site).
The Greene County Daily World conducted a poll on our Web site the past few weeks. The question: Should a candidate's religion matter in the race for president?
The results:
See, my Grandpa Pruett was right. When it comes to politics and religion, most people are split down the middle.
The following are some of the comments from our Web site:
See what I mean?
This is a hot topic, and everyone seems to have an opinion.
Presidents are human. Humans sin. So-called "religious people" sin. We're all sinners.
I hope religion plays a part in a president's stay in the White House. Without religion and moral values, we'd be a country on the verge of ...
Chris is the general manager/editor of the Greene County Daily World. He can be reached by telephone at 847-4487 or 1-800-947-4487 or by e-mail at cpruett79@hotmail.com
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We should look closely at The First Amendment to our Constitution and remember that the success of our democracy is owed to the foresight of our forefathers in establishing this separation of church and state.
John Leland, a Baptist Minister and friend of Jefferson and Madison, made this statement on July 5, 1802, which I think properly addresses this issue with a clear and precise warning.
"Guard against those men who make a great noise about religion, in choosing representatives. It is electioneering. If they knew the nature and worth of religion, they would not debauch it to such shameful purposes. If pure religion is the criterion to denominate candidates, those who make a noise about it must be rejected; for their wrangle about it, proves that they are void of it. Let honesty, talents and quick despatch, characterise the men of your choice."
The Constitution clearly does not state that we are to be a country with "separation of church and state." The meaning is implied.
In so doing, our Constitution writers also imply that our government should never be a church state but does not imply that our government should be void of the God that created her.
America , contrary to recent school text books, is not a democracy. Rather, America uses democracy as a tool to elected our officials. After they are elected, then we must empower them to vote their will, for the good of the people.
This is and always should be a Republic under God.
With all due respect to GCPat, I would tend to disagree with your interpretation of the First Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion …" is a firm and concise statement which dictates this separation rather explicitly. Freedom of religion is a right guaranteed by the constitution and our government cannot dictate how religious organizations conduct their services. It is understood that civil authorities will provide neither a helping hand, nor will they hinder the functions of a religious group. However, this must also be understood to be a two way street. It is essential that we all understand that a religious group or organization cannot dictate to nor try to control the government. We have many religious groups and organizations in the United States which adhere to a wide variety of principles and doctrine. All of these organzations must be granted the same religious freedoms and all of these groups must understand the inherent dangers of expecting the government to promulgate laws that would restrict one or more groups based on the beliefs and doctrine of another. This type of action would only agitate other denominations. This government of ours is a government of all citizens, not the government of one particular denomination.
Justice Black offers an eloquent explanation of why this must be, in his delivery of the Supreme Court opinion in Engel v. Vitale.
"By the time of the adoption of the Constitution, our history shows that there was a widespread awareness among many Americans of the dangers of a union of Church and State. These people knew, some of them from bitter personal experience, that one of the greatest dangers to the freedom of the individual to worship in his own way lay in the Government's placing its official stamp of approval upon one particular kind of prayer or one particular form of religious services. They knew the anguish, hardship and bitter strife that could come when zealous religious groups struggled with one another to obtain the Government's stamp of approval from each King, Queen, or Protector that came to temporary power."
When you say that this country should be "a Republic under God", I would personally tend to agree with you. However, I shall not demand that my specific religious beliefs be valued, by my government, as greater than those of any other citizen. I respect everyone's right to choose and practice whichever religion that they prefer and I expect them to offer me the same respect.
I agree with almost every point you make. I disagree that our government or lawyers should put the words "separation of church and state" in place of the actual words of our First Ammendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise therof". The actual statement is clear enough and should not be ammended by Justice Black or any other well spoken lawyer or politician. The reason our schools are morally inept are primarily due to the re-wording of the First Ammendment...hence the removal of the Bible and prayer.
You are right in respecting other's right to practice whatever religion they wish, however to remove all traces of Chritianity from our government(including schools) is exactly what our founding fathers did not have in mind.
If it will add credence to my opinion, I have a plethora of founding father's quotes that I could insert.
For now, I believe we could just agree that freedom to worship is a highly valued commodity that I and many others would die to protect.