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Lets try giving coaches a pat on the back instead of grief
Posted Tuesday, April 21, 2009, at 5:50 PM<< Previous | Read comments | Respond | Email link | Next >>
For the past year and half I have woke up just about every morning here in Greene County, with the exception for when I travel out of town. I work here in Greene County covering high school teams here in Greene County as well as Union (Dugger) in Sullivan County. There is a reason for being redundant with using the words "Greene County". Covering sport teams from Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, Union (Dugger), Shakamak, White River Valley and Linton-Stockton is my job and 95 percent of the time I love it. The other five percent is the main purpose of this column. Greene County is not some big glamorous sports area such as Chicago, New York or Los Angeles, etc.. Hell we are not even comparable to Evansville or Terre Haute -- places with colleges and universities. But yet, when it comes to coaching decisions and reactions, you would think we had a pro team or a college team that is used to hanging banners year after year in the rafters of a historic arena. In the most recent turn of events, Linton-Stockton boys head basketball coach, Darren Clayton was re-hired by a 5-0 vote by the school board. Speculation leading up to the board meeting was Clayton would be replaced, after his teams has won just a total of nine games over the last two seasons. Quickly after the story had came out on the web and in print, many members in the community expressed their disbelief and ridiculing the decision of the board -- very few approved of the renewal. Rumors started early in the season that with a highly talented group of incoming freshmen coming in for next season, that Clayton's days were numbered at the end of the season. Fact is Clayton has tallied more wins at Linton-Stockton (47) than the four coaches that preceded him. Clayton is not the only coach that has been under the microscope in the area, or even at Linton-Stockton. For the sake of saving some of these coaches a little more grief, I will not mention them in this article. But the point being, if some parents, spectators and people in the community in general would put forth the same amount of effort in support of their coach as they do going out of their way to show their disbelief there would be less drama and coaches could just go out and do what they were hired to do -- coach and not worry about all the politics. Maybe I was a little bit spoiled when I was a three-sport athlete having the same coach all four years in high school and not having to worry about if my football or wrestling or track coach was going to be there the next season. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones that had a wrestling coach, Erich Blevins, that cared more about what went on outside of the wrestling mat than winning or losing. Don't get me wrong, coach Blevins was very passionate about what he coached, but life lessons learned and preparation for outside of your four years in high school was his main goal. That is something that I feel gets lost now days and especially what I have seen in my 18 months here. Too many people want to put all the emphasis on the number of wins and losses. Lets face it, these are all public schools -- public high schools -- not catholic schools or colleges or pro teams, where so much of the team depends on recruiting of players. The coaches here are dealt a certain hand and can only do so much. It seems like it is easier to criticize a coach rather than applaud them for a job well done. But in theory it is just as simple to walk up to a coach, pat them on the back and say nice try, then to hide behind a screen name or make an anonymous phone call putting down the coach. Give me a coach that is passionate about the sport he/she coaches and cares about the well being of each individual on that team and I'm sure positive results are going to come. I am probably the most competitive person that most of you will ever meet or know, but even I know at the end of the day life is more important than a win or loss. I'm also sure all these coaches in the area do not like to lose, but they also all know the sun will still come up the next morning after a loss and life goes on. In today's world there are far too many other problems we are faced with in everyday life than to waste time putting down some coach just because they lost a game/match or had a losing season or two. So my challenge to everyone that has said anything malice about a coach is try being their number one supporter, just like you would want if you were in their shoes. Feel fortunate that you have someone that is willing to take numerous hours out of each day to teach the kids in this community something they may or may not have already know about the game, but also teach them something they did not know about the real world. People say hitting a baseball or hitting a golf ball straight are two of the toughest things to do in sports -- well that is only because those people have not been in the shoes of a coach. So try not to make coaching that much more difficult for our area coaches, try standing behind them for a change and make their job a little less stressful. Travis David is a sports writer for the Greene County Daily World and can be reached at 812-847-4487 ext. 20 or tdavid@gcdailyworld.com Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Nice blog Travis, Congrats to Coach Clayton, one of the best men I have ever known. Linton boys basketball might be the toughest coaching job in the area, and there are people in Linton who wouldn't be happy with any coach.
Travis, One of your best blogs yet.. GREAT!
While I respect your opinion, coaches, like politicians, are public officials who choose to do what they do. If someone chooses to coach, they are opening themselves up to public scrutiny about how they do their job.
While the Linton boys basketball job is not the most glamorous job in the corporation, it's still a job that needs to be taken seriously becuase the basketball program is a vital part of the athletic department. Players, coaches, staff members, parents, fans and School Board Members need to realize that they are part of a program and one of the program's main goal should be to WIN basketball games. All people involved in the basketball program need to commit to WORKING (both during the season and in the off-season) to make this program as successful as other sports programs at LHS.
GO MINERS!
i was 1st to post yesterday and praise the school board for doing the right thing so i dont know what bad things were said but they dont know basketball or coach clayton . i heard the stupid rumors and im on the school board back quite often but this time they got it right .
Some parents need to look in a mirror and they will see where alot of the problems come from.It takes more than 12 young adults and 2 or 3 coaches to make a team. It takes a very large group of willing adults to build a "Team" Very good blog.
Congrats Darren. You are a man of integrity and character and you deserve to keep coaching. I have said it before and I will say it again, the expectations of the Linton basketball fans do not line up with the reality of the kids playing the sport. Our football program is good because kids devote themselves to it year round. Kids at Linton don't do that in basketball and haven't for some time. I know you have some younger groups playing aau now, but tell me how many of the current kids that played the last two years on varsity were devoted to playing basketball year round? We have excellent athletes at Linton, and we had them on the floor this past year, but athletes do not equate to basketball players. If anyone thinks that a new coach is going to change things quickly, they have their head in the sand. Look at the track record, it is not always the coaches. I can't think of any good reason why any coach would want to come to Linton, and coach basketball. The job is a coach killer. Kudo's for Darren for wanting to change the mentality of the program, but it will take time.
I love the augument that he has won more games than the last coaches.You know, a lot of people would say that clayton won more games his first few years on the back of what Gene Hall had built.
One things for sure, Darren will have more pressure on him next season than ever before.
Don't play the freshman enough and lose, ridiculed for that. Play the freshman over the older boys and lose, ridiculed for that.
Life lessons or not, If he dosen't win next year, how long will they give him?
GOOD LUCK COACH.
Great Article Travis!
You were right on the money with your comments.
Nobody coaches to lose. All coaches want to win and work very hard to build winning programs. But in the end, players will benefit more from life lessons learned than the actual sport they are playing.
I hope Coach Clayton has a successful season or seasons and shuts up all the negative people surrounding the school sports. Although, I believe we all know that some people will NEVER be satisfied. Coach Clayton is a good man who cares about his players.
As Travis said, you are given a certain talent pool. Public schools are not allowed to recruit. Coaches have to do the best with the players they have and just because a kid is a good athlete doesn't make him/her a skill player at a certain sport.
Anyway ... it was a well written article and long overdue.
"We have excellent athletes at Linton, and we had them on the floor this past year, but athletes do not equate to basketball players."
I am tired of hearing this as an explanation to our problems. This, partially, is a true statement, but did we work with these athletes to help them become better basketball players? Or did we allow these athletes to practice and continue using bad habits because it was too late to change them or we just didn't want to change them? Maybe it's a little bit of both...Just an observation from this past season to leave you with:
--Our basketball team lost at Sullivan and shot 5-45 from the field on a Saturday night. They could not practice on Sunday (per school rules) and did not practice Monday. Shouldn't our "athletes" have been working on their shot to try and fix their mistakes?
Does anyone else read paragraph three the way I do? Because we do not have a basketball mecca or a major league field we should not be passionate about our local teams? Never mind the fact that our kids, nieces, nephews, grandchildren, neighbors and others we may be close to are the ones playing. I feel this gives a right to be more passionate. Who really should care about a one and done kid or a high priced free agent leaving town every two years? No recruiting in Greene county, seems a lot of student/athletes have changed schools in the last 4-5 years around here. Might not be "recruiting" by Webster's definition.
Great blog. I am a big supporter of Coach Clayton. I've had an argument or two over the issue. I'd like to clear a few misconceptions up.
A. Football is King! Try to rock that boat and the kids and community will rock back. Linton has to have a coach that is willing to play second banana.
B. Clayton didn't inherit a Gene Hall superteam. He inherited a bunch of beat down kids that wanted a change. Plus, Rick Crynes built that group through the grades. Get your facts straight. Hall replaced him with his brother(how is brother doing at North Knox). Running out someone who put a lot of hours in helping develop those kids. Darren has tireless workers doing that in the lower grades right now. Woodward and company have done a nice job getting the kids going in the right direction.
C. The 8th graders are a very special group of athletes, but they will only be 14-15 yr. olds next year. I would hope they give him at least 2 years.
D. The last two years had groups of kids that either chose to no longer pursue basketball(football factor) or just flat out weren't that good from 5th grade to HS.
GCC,
People like you make Travis's point even more valid.
By the way, how many sectionals did that team win and how many did Eastern win in the same span?
My guess is that you are one of those parents that did not support our coaches when your kids were going through the program when previous coaches were there.
As a general rule, everyone wants discipline for kids in the classroom or athletic field until it is THEIR child that is being disciplined.
Good luck Coach Clayton and staff.
Lets blame the Halls for the failure of all the programs. Just because someone is a nice guy or a man of integrity doesn't mean they are above criticism. Yes it would be great if everyone supported the basketball team like they do the football team, but people support success. Which comes first the chicken or the egg?
GCKC,
Interesting thoughts. You hit it on the head...I am a disgruntled parent of a former Linton athlete that just couldn't cut it blah blah blah blah...
Actually not even close, but it was a nice try:)
I've actually been coaching at various levels and schools for well over 10 years. I've played for, or coached in the very schools that Darren and Gene have coached. I like both very much as individuals. I'm not sure you could find two better human beings, but both are night and day when it comes to their approach to players and coaching. I would support both coaches if they ever have the opportunity to coach my kids. That doesn't mean I agree with some of their tactics.
Football being big in Linton isn't just some fictional story I pulled out of the air. This community has loved its football for a long time. You would have to go back to the mid 70's to find a time when basketball was consistently better than the football teams. At this point many 2nd generation kids that had dad's play for some of the great teams in the 80's and even 90's. Those kids are making their way through the school system. They hear football from their coaches and at home. You can hate it all you want, but it is Linton.
As for supporting coaches, that is an interesting discussion. Support is important, but many kids get tired of the stress and headgames some coaches play. I guess that is the players fault for not being tough. I'm all for coaches running tough hard practices that push the players to their limit...but the games some coaches play are ridiculous. To answer the previous assumption. I am all for a coaches running my kid until he pukes and pushing him to the limit. I will never condone headgames. It undermines everything great about athletics. It is also a good way to get kids to not respect you(not like, but respect).
As for punishment at school/daycare/athletics, my kids know it is double at home.
Eastern? Don't they have a football program now??? :)
I'm just glad tht Gene Hall is the only one in the county that plays head games. That stuff wouldn't be tolerated in Bloomfield.
I have gotten to know both Gene (Hall) and Darren (Clayton) myself, and they are good people. I belive that both men can have success if they are/were given a chance.
we had a good team with carl miller at coach and he was railroaded . i dont blame any of the coaches not coach clayton or hall,boyd, newman i have been going to linton sports and playing for over 30 years ive seen 2 coaches that should he been fired 1 in football 1 girls basketball neither have been recent.
Compare how the coaches treat kids today to how coach Henson treated the players at L&M back in the day. Kids have it to easy in my opinion.
Most coaches are hard working people. Darren seems to be one of these people. I am from Bloomfield and think Mr. Clayton is an asset to Greene County. Good luck in the future, "Coach".
where did crean's blog go??????????????????
I would agree that coaching has a great deal to do with the right fit. I would have loved to play for Coach Boyd at the varsity level. Quite a few guys I played with felt the same, yet when he got his chance later.. those players didn't respond. Kids? Coach? Who knows?
Since the comments are disabled on B.J.'s blog...Don't forget Jared Rehmel. He was the last 20+ ppg scorer in the area. A pleasure to watch. He has been doing the same at Olney Central.
I think looking from the stands at all the teams around today that the players are now who control the games. Winning or Lossing as a coach at the level we have today is not as much the coaches doing as it use to be.
1. the player has to want to work on his own time to improve what skills God has given him.
2. The player has to Want to listen to the experiance that the coach brings and tries to convey to him.
3. The player has to tone out the fans that tell him to shoot when he shouldn't, run routes or over play defensively when the coach has other ideas.
4. The player has to take Disipline for what its worth-- head game or what ever its still disipline-- the Disipline is to correct an unwanted behavior.
Today several players are told that the rest of the team is there to help them -- and the coach is an idiot...I've heard every coach called that by players parents since I was in 8th grade. MAYBE if players were told "I dont agree with the coach, but he is the coach...."
I read a few posts back something about making some players better-- My cousin coached in the Junior Highschool ranks for many years-- some kids dont want to change... even if told they need to!
In response to BJ's blog that you cannot comment on for some reason: You left out a very key player that has averaged above the 20ppg. He was a graduate of Shakamak in 2006 and is still lighting up the baskeball courts in college: JARED REHMEL!!!
Numbers speak the truth. A football school that cares primarly about football - it is the FACTS.
I love everyone basing talent in the 8th grade on future success. Time will tell...anyone realize how good Eastern's young kids are? There freshman grade is loaded. I am sure South Knox will continue to reload ....and Bloomfield will be Bloomfield...as these Linton kids play football, several other schools will be playing basketball.
And if they don't win....who will we blame? Can we still point the finger at Gene Hall? Can we blame Football? Will we go recruit some more kids?
Good luck Coach Clayton! Hope you survive long enough to see this DREAM team.
GoMiners--I want to respond to this post:
"I am tired of hearing this as an explanation to our problems. This, partially, is a true statement, but did we work with these athletes to help them become better basketball players? Or did we allow these athletes to practice and continue using bad habits because it was too late to change them or we just didn't want to change them? Maybe it's a little bit of both...Just an observation from this past season to leave you with:
--Our basketball team lost at Sullivan and shot 5-45 from the field on a Saturday night. They could not practice on Sunday (per school rules) and did not practice Monday. Shouldn't our "athletes" have been working on their shot to try and fix their mistakes?
When you get to the season, you have better already had your shooting mechanics figured out. The offseason is when you change these things not during the season. Anybody that has ever changed a shot knows that it gets worse before it gets better and it takes hours of working on it to groove a new habit. A coach shouldn't be working on fundamentals at the varsity level during the season. I know Riggleman spent many hours of practice doing fundamental things when he should have been working on x's and o's. He didn't have a choice, they had no fundamentals. Mckinney is continuing that. Darren and Gene both did the same thing. It is time to start putting some of the repsonsiblity on the kids for practicing on their own. Now before anyone jumps all over me for dare saying that a kid is partly responsible, think about this. How many basketball goals do you see in the driveway of Linton homes? IF you see them, are they set at 7-8' feet so they can practice their dunking? Is there anyone even playing on them? We don't have kids on the boys side or the girls side that want to work on their game. Show up to an open gym and see if their is even enough to play 3 on 3! I know every one of these coaches has worked on developing a youth program in grade school. It takes time, and 2 or three years doesn't get it done. And finally their are parents now really involved with several AAU and other programs to help these kids learn fundamentals at an early age when they should. Think about all the really good players at Linton since the mid 70's. Crynes,Poe, Bedwell, Hall, and Perigo just to name a few. They were good athletes but more importantly they were basketball players. They worked on their game and that is why they excelled. Name me the last kid at Linton that averaged 20 points a game? You will have to go way back because we don't have anyone anymore that wants to work on their game.
We can debate the coaching philosophies and the x's and o's of every coach all day long,but if they dont have basketball players(not athletes) to execute the game plan, the best laid game plans will not work!
O.K. we only have half the basketball players we had during jr. high or elementary because they dont want to play for Clayton and/or they know they will lose many games because of his coaching, Mr. Beard has more effect and relationships with the high school boys. They respect him a whole lot more, why don't we make him the head coach?
I do know what I'm talking about FYI, I have heard it from the boys myself.
silerCityDude,
what are you talking about beat down kids? those boys have played since boys club at Terre Haute when they were in kindergarden. They use to love basketball, 99.9% love football more, however; not the point at all. they are not motivated to play because they are not motivated by the coach.
redbird08--It is a rare group of kids at any school and on any team that will continue to play all sports when they get in high school. This incoming group of freshman will not all be together when they are seniors and it won't have anything to do with a coach. Other things begin to be priorities and/or they choose to focus on one sport. IF they quit playing because they are not "motivated" by the coach then they really didn't like basketball anyway did they? That is a cop out that too many kids/parents use. What are we teaching them? That when you get a job one of these days and your boss doesn't motivate you...just quit and blame it on him? Come on!! If you love the sport, nobody, NOBODY, will keep you from playing it.
Of course that might be one of the life lessons that we don't want our coaches teaching them, huh?
It is too easy to blame it on a coach today. I hear no parents on here or players taking any responsiblity for why they aren't as devoted as they should be. Nobody saying, we could be shooting more or working in the driveway. Instead they blame it on the coaches! Wake up!
You know this incoming freshman team has not proven aything at the next level just yet. Don't count your chickens. I have seen the next great football team, basketball team and softball teams come and go so many times. I would say that their heads are big enough already. Take a look at Shakamak this past year. They were the next coming and look at stinch that team left.
botton line is if the kids put fourth half the effort at basketball as they do football around here, there may be a few more wins on the table!
yea a coach needs to motivate the kids as well, but the kids have to have the want to. saying they are not motivated because of a certain coach is the biggest cop out ever!
I'm not saying that the team should have totally changed their mechanics...I was just pointing out the fact that most people would practice their team after missing 40 shots from the field.
Also, I hope the coaching staff realizes that the incoming freshman will be FRESHMAN...they will make mistakes because they will be playing at a higher level. This incoming class, however, does have the desire to make Linton basketball a success in years to come...why else would they have played 40+ games this year?
GoMiners-- I can't comment on why they didn't practice on Monday except to say,I don't know what the situation was with Mr. Clayton, the Kids, School or their next game. Perhaps there was a scheduling issue I don't know, but no amount of shooting on one day was going to remedy a 5-45 night. You, like so many of the other people around here are getting caught up in little things and that is what you hang your hat on.
Your right this group is freshmen and they will make mistakes, but I am telling you that if five of them still remain when they are seniors they will be an abnormal group. The other thing to keep in mind is that you can't judge talent in junior high. I have seen a lot of good jr high teams be successful because they were bigger, stronger and more atheltic than the other teams at that age. Once they got to high school and all the growing was done, basketball skill took over and they weren't as good. As good as these kids are right now, if they don't continue to work on their games, they will not live up to the unfair expectations that people are putting on them. I hope they are successful, but I am afraid that fans are expecting them to be the savior of LHS basketball and that is unfair to them.
How many tournaments or games are scheduled for the varsity this summer? These young kids can get lots of experience and games this summer....OR....is the summer dedicated to Football?
There are tournaments and leagues out there. Will the Miners be active?
For the most part the community is putting the weight of the world on those 8th grade boys. They are very talented, but that isn't the reason their coaches(people who actually know) are so high on them as a group. It is because no matter how many people talk...they just keep working. Check out the weight room in the mornings. They are committed to proving they are what people keep saying. Comparing Shakamak's junior class is laughable. Linton's parents are yelling at their kid to play harder...not at the coach for the amount of shots Johnny got in the 3rd quarter(no reference to anyone actually named Johnny).
Can someone answer this question...
Why does Clayton get a 5-0 school board backing with a losing record and Riegleman gets let go?
Both of these coaches are great people and work hard at their respective programs, so what is justification in keeping one and firing the other? The girls team didn't fare any better this past season without Coach Riegleman..
Minerfan- Truth is Riggleman upset the wrong parent(s). Very shady. Goes to show an affluent parent or two and couple board members can dispose of any coach they choose. When it came down to it...those that should have fought for his job(because he really did deserve it) chose to allow him to be let go.
Its not Basketball against football. Football has nothing to do with the success or failure of any other sport. Coach Clayton and I work hard to not overrun each other, the kids can come to weights and conditioning for football and still make open gym for basketball. We both have camps that they can attend, we do not compete with each other, we both want our kids to play all sports. The kids have to make up their minds to go to open gyms and work at their sport be it basketball,football, or any other sport. The opportunities are there for all athletes to get better at Football and Basketball. The kids have got to work, they can not just show up and play. Winning does not come easy or by accident! It does not have to be Football or Basketball it can be both if the kids are willing to work and the parents encourage them to make open gyms. This is what i see out of the current 8th graders, they work at all of their sports with no excuses!
Coach Weber
Excellent post!
Here's my observations:
A close relative of mine coached in Greene/Sullivan for most of his life. I never understood why he stayed when he could have gone on to bigger and more successful programs...He knew a state championship was probably out of the question and his kids there were either talented or smart, but almost never possessed enough of both to make it at a major university. Face it...how many kids have left the county to play Division I ball? How many had the brains to get them into a Div III program? And how many stuck with it to become starters? Regardless, the man stuck with it and turned out a lot of kids who became decent citizens. Face it folks...when you have a coach who is honest and decent you need to be thankful.
The local high school where I now live turns out several div I players a year in a variety of sports. Likewise, basketball, football, baseball, swimming and volleyball state championship banners fly in gym. Here's the kicker to all of this...you NEVER hear the kind of bunk here about coaches that you do back in greendingle. NEVER
Coach W - You are correct it is not football vs basketball. The sports are different. The mentality is different. The expecatations are not even the same. Try losing 80% to 90% of the football games and see what happens?....
The importance in Linton is football. People can say what they want...but that is the clear answer.
Does the best football player ever decide not to play? At smaller schools, usually your best athletes are your best basketball and football players. Why do many not play basketball?
POP,
if you were on a team that hardly ever won, some of your teammates didnt try very hard or take playing seriously, you would still give 110% to your team and continue to play. WHATEVER! no, you wouldnt. Yes, really like playing the game but, come on, you can only take so much game after game, year after year. The coach motivating the kids isnt the only thing what has to do with it, i'm sorry thats all you got out of that. but the really good coaches have good dedicated players. I dont have anything against skippy personally, i just think its time for new blood, like Coach Beard.
the upper classmen, Jr's soon to be Seniors are wonderful atheletes who work all year around at basketball and football, some with baseball too. never take a break and go to weightlifting in the mornings. They know how to be winners, they have been a big part of the winning for 3 years and one more to go. Yes the incoming freshmen are talented, but, small either in height or weight and not yet ready for Varsity sports, its a whole new game, and as it did for the upper classmen, it will come to them and they will be ready in a couple of years, i have not doubt about that.
I am very happy with most of the 2 and 3 sport athletes. They work at all their sporst and will be successful. we still have a few who need to learn how to manage time and work at the sports they plan to play. You can not just show up for the season any more and plan to compete,most teams will outwork in the offseason if you get complacent.
Coach Weber
Of course. I know alot of them never stop with football ( on their own ) no matter what the sport season is. I hope I'm not getting too far off of the topic!!
redbird--I don't want anyone on my team that quits and doesn't give a 110%! PERIOD! I don't care what their excuse is, because that is all it is, an excuse!
And Bart was a good player and seems to be a decent coach, but his JV record stinks too! It isn't the coaching guys! When you all decide to look at the real reasons and address them, then we might see some things change. Coaches in any sport, on any level, have the kids approximately 10 hours a week during season and less than that during the offseason. It is up to the kids to put the time in on their own and it is up to the parents to help them. The kids in the football program do that, and that is why they are successful.
Basketball at Linton is not what it used to be. Lets look at it this way we have had at least 6 coaches since our last sectional championship in 1982, and only a handful of winning seasons. Are you telling me that it is all coaching? If a coach is mistreating kids, then that is one thing, but we have been firing coaches left and right about every 2-5 years at LHS. No wonder we have no "program", because we don't keep anyone long enough to implement one. We want our basketball program to be on the level of our football and baseball programs and we forget that both of them have long tenured coaches that have built their respective programs. They have tradition and high expectations and should, but weighing the basketball program on the same scale is unfair. Look at Bloomfield,successful and two coaches in 30 plus years. Clay City took their lumps with Mcvay, but they left him alone and in the last 10 years he has built a winning program and won their first sectional. Until we decide to do this for the long haul and everyone get behind the program and support it as we do the other sports, we will never have a winning program.
I dont think you are trying to see it in any other point of view but your own, but hopfully i am wrong.
I hope Basketball turns around.
Have a good day all.
redbird--We will just have to agree to disagree. I see the other side, but the history of the program proves it wrong. There has been an excuse for every coach we have fired, and when we got the next coach in, we started whining about him shortly thereafter. It is a neverending cycle that wont' change until the culture changes.
Have a good day yourself, redbird
That Bloomfield Coaching mark is actually 3 highly successful coaches in the past 56 years, and counting. Zero Football coaches during the same period.....