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Some rules I would change
Posted Tuesday, February 24, 2009, at 3:29 PM
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Alcia Tally (center) is pictured trying to retain possession of the basketball as she is being chocked by a University player at the Southwestern (Shelby) Regional contest Saturday. (By Travis David/Greene County Daily World).

First off, I would like to start out by saying congratulations to the White River Valley girls basketball season for another outstanding season. The season may have ended a couple games sooner than what they would have wished for, but another conference title, sectional title and an 18-5 record is nothing to be ashamed of.

Now for the purpose of these words. I have been contemplating for some time now if high school basketball would benefit from having some sort of shot clock. After watching the Lady Wolverines have their season end for the second straight season at the hands of University at the Southwestern (Shelby) Regional Saturday morning, I pondered over this thought some more.

With the game tied at 46-apiece and just under four minutes remaining in the game, University choose to run a stall offense. Most teams run this offense with a lead late in the game to milk the clock, or to slow down a high-powered offense throughout the game. It can also be known as the Ron McBride offense (just kidding coach McBride). But University proceeded to run over two minutes off the clock before running any kind of motion offense or set play. The play did eventually work, as they ended up with a player slipping behind the Wolverines defense for an easy lay-up and a two point advantage.

Now coach Pigg could have chosen to use the same tactic and have one final shot with about 95 seconds left to force the game into overtime, but his offense went to work and quickly knotted the contest up with 1:23 left on the game clock.

So without saying, it was to no surprise that University would once again turn to their stall offense for a final shot to win the game. The LadyBlazers held the ball until about 10 seconds were left on the clock, fired a contested 3-pointer, got an offensive rebound and drew a foul with :0.6 remaining in the game. The University player calmly walked to the line and swished home the first attempt before intentionally missing the second for the game winning shot -- a shot that ended the season for the Wolverines.

Now I am not saying this is not smart coaching on the part of University -- it's actually pretty smart thinking and taking advantage of what I would call a broken system. In my opinion, there is a time limit set to inbound the ball and to bring the ball across the timeline and even a time limit to shoot a free-throw, so why not put a limit on getting a shot off,? Even if it's a 45 second shot clock.

You have a three referee system now, or three blind mice according to Joe Hart. You hear most critics claim that most of the time you have two refs making all the calls and the third ref just playing spectator cause it's not in "his area", who will occasionally blow his whistle because he feels he needs to do something. So monitoring a shot clock would be a good responsibility for this referee.

I am not saying that having a shot clock would have changed the outcome in Saturday's regional tilt for the Lady Wolverines, but I think it would make the game that much more interesting.

Another rule that I feel needs to go is the "held ball" or "jump ball rule". So many times you will see the ball change possessions because one player got out rebounded and they throw a hand on the ball and a jump ball is called and the ball goes to the team with the possession arrow in their favor. Many times in the process of an opponent latching onto the ball, secured by another player, there is a foul committed that is hardly ever called.

In the picture used for this column, WRV's Alicia Tally (middle) is pictured with possession of a loose ball. The picture also clears shows the University defender laying virtually on top of Tally with one had on the ball and her other arm in a choke hold position on Tally.

Even on the wrestling mat this technique would mostly be whistled by the referee. But you guessed it, in this circumstance there was not foul but instead a jump ball was ruled and the possession arrow was in favor of University.

Now I would not say that the rule needs to go completely, as the same rule is in place at the college level, but I would like to see more fouls called in this instance when a player is obviously out of control and just hoping for a jump ball to be called. Maybe a more logical scenario would be to have a real jump ball for all jump ball situations, like the way that professional basketball stills uses.

These are two rules in which will probably never get switched, but just thought I would share my two cents anyway.

Travis David is a sports writer at the Greene County Daily World and can be reached at (812) 847-4474 ext. 20 or at tdavid@gcdailyworld.com


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A shot clock is a terrible idea.

-- Posted by EggMan on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 3:38 PM

If you don't want the other team to hold the ball, get up and guard them. If you make them pass the ball around the more likely they are to turn the ball over.

-- Posted by EggMan on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 3:39 PM

Two awesome suggestions

-- Posted by WhiteRiverValley on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 3:43 PM

Yes just ask McBride

-- Posted by nutzz6934 on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 4:53 PM

Well not a bad idea on the held ball or the (as I like to call it) the "one finger on the ball rule no matter where the other four fingers are" rule.. :) Actually got to see a ref make the right call in the sectional on the same thing that happened in this picture. He actually called the foul. And you are right it's almost like a fumble in football everyone dives on everyone until two people from the opposite teams has a finger on the ball and then it's a held ball. I do like the old way of doing it like the NBA. If the coach's don't like that well teach your kids how to jump better.. :) The shot clock well I don't know. A lot less points are being scored now then when I played don't know why. Don't know if it's better D or just the lack of good O! Just flat out less points. But Coach McBride has done something many people couldn't do. I saw him beat some teams that he would only beat one out of 10 times. But to be honest most of the time his offense is ran they are running it slow but are still looking to get someone open. And if they have the ball long enough someone on the other team is bound to get tired and forget where their man is. And it just flat out works. But I also know when he has a good team and they can play they play. Back in my day they played well and scored the points. But I don't think they have had as good of all around players now as they did then. So he's changed. That's the sign of a good coach. Good thoughts though Travis. Some other ones that I think need reviewed are the traveling call and the carry. You would have never seen such bad ball handling when we played cause the refs would have called that stuff the whole nite... :)

-- Posted by Bigballer on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 6:01 AM

Shot clock is the worst idea ever. Indiana High School Basketball is great(was better before Class)...every year we attempt to make changes to a great game...Changes that we do not need. Why? Because the outcome was not the one we wanted? Because it is not exciting enough for television? Please do not even attempt to make HS basketball anything near the NBA.

The jump ball....here we want to go back to the original rule....

Who knows? But a shot clock in HS basketball is the worst idea I have ever heard!

-- Posted by ICU-UCME on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 6:46 AM

High school basketball has a shot clock. It's eight minutes. As Eggman said, if you don't want the other team to hold the ball, guard them and take it away...

-- Posted by ReadOnly on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 7:13 AM

Well, for those who had the displeasure of watching some of the 19-18 fiascos pulled on the great WRV teams of the early nineties...know there are times when a shot clock would be nice. I have no problem watching a game in the 40's if both teams are running their offense until they get a good shot(not necessarily a lay-up).

-- Posted by GCC on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 11:37 AM

Shot clock in high school would then have to filter down to JV, and Freshman teams...After that on to Junior High, and Elementary. Value the ball, and take care of the ball would never be emphasis any longer, and it would be the first decent shot we get, we take. Fundamentals still play a very big part of the game, and a shot clock would destroy that.

-- Posted by Mr. Robato on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 12:24 PM

In the photo there should have been a foul call made.That is what you are taught in the high school clinics but the officials in this game are also college officials and those rules are a little different. Those guys are usely pretty good.One of them is Dave Pillar he keeps book for the I.U. mens games as well as being the asst. Principal at Jackson Creek Middle School. And if you look at the school left in the tourney you wil notice that 99%of them are private school not public.Those school can recruit players.

-- Posted by G.C.REF on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 1:06 PM

I don't think we need a shot clock in High School. Some of those 19 to 18 games can be fun to watch. Keeping the ball away from a good team is not easy. It would be a shame to take the chance for small schools to compete with the larger ones.

Where we need a shot clock is on the golf course. I don't know how many times I have dozed off waiting for Mr. Robato to hit a shot.

-- Posted by Wiglund on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 5:22 PM

I think those are both great ideas! I am behind you 100%. And yes I am sure I am a little biased on the shot clock rule too, as I was there to witness that horrible 12-11 game!

-- Posted by hash10 on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 6:47 AM

Let's just fix Indiana High school basketball as a whole. Get rid of class basketball and bring back the good old days. I can rememember as a kid watching Loogootee run a stall offense against Evansville Bosse (I think it was Bosse) It was a great equalizer against a faster, more athletic team. Evansville did manage to pull the game out in the end, but that stall offense under the direction of Jack Buthcer gave the big school fits. That's what IN basketball is all about.

The jump ball rule needs corrected ASAP. Go watch an elementary game (esp girls) and what you'll find is 90% of all whistle blows are for jump balls.

-- Posted by Minerfan on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 6:52 AM

Come on Wigs...Your always last getting to your ball, and back in the cart. As a matter of fact, your last at everything. See you tomorrow at 4

-- Posted by Mr. Robato on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 9:10 AM

"I think those are both great ideas! I am behind you 100%. And yes I am sure I am a little biased on the shot clock rule too, as I was there to witness that horrible 12-11 game!"

If Eastern would have been on the other end of that 12-11 game I'm sure no one from Eastern would be complaining about the game.

-- Posted by EggMan on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 9:11 AM

The slowed down, four corners, or "lay up only" offense is a good way for a smaller weaker team to compete with the racehorses. This tactic, as boring as it may be, works if your team is smarter than they are good. Bloomfield used to have some success with it when, the coach who fills the gap and provides the link between Jack Butcher and Ron McBride, Steve Brett, was coaching. many , may may not remember, and some would like to forget, but the only thing standing between Bloomfield winning the sectional in the mid 80's (? year)from a MUCH better L&M braves team was a blown layup. That will happen. As much as the game may be boring, it is a tactic to win. You see teams try it in Football when they are facing an offense like the Colts have had in the past decade. If you have a lead, keep the Good offense off the field (floor in this case).

Shot clocks are good for televised games so that the game doesn't bore people who are watching from home, who really have no dog in the hunt, they just like seeing the high scoring, explosive offenses.

Bring back the Jump ball. If your team isn't big enough to get the tip, teach them how to defend against or steal it.

-- Posted by Indymac4 on Sat, Feb 28, 2009, at 3:41 PM

Great article Travis. Gotta say I agree.

-- Posted by longbeard_23 on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 3:07 PM


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